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In India, especially in the Villages one age-old system of "NAATTAAMAI"( Head of the Village-Leaders-team) functions as the Local judge against the the complaints or disputes between any two or more members of the Village-Society. This Naattaamai-team declare judgements and even punishments at their discretion.Off late we hear several cases of Callousness and High-handedness too....
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- From: R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68-0-198-105.ri.ri.cox.net)
on: Thu Dec 4 16:46:38 EST 2003
I wonder and am pained to note from the postings of some of my friends under the various Threads here, commenting on Lord KRISHNA directly and indirectly....as DEBAUCHEROUS....!!
Why this SCANDEL?...
which is not only radically WRONG but also...
a COLOSSAL BLUNDER !! to Say or ILL-BELIEVE so..
....based on Wrong NOTION or
...unfounded INFERENCE...or
...unjust HATRED.... or
...Lose-Talk due to Total IGNORANCE.
... HOW ?
These people come to such wrong conclusions, based on their misunderstanding the Krishna-Leelas as narrated in Bhagawatham, further elaborated in all the other Indian Language-scriptures, including Tamil-Literatures.
But nowhere Krishna has been depicted as IMMORAL, as these people attribute.
One rudimentary factor, all concerned have to note ....is... that all the Leelas of Krishna were over during BOY-HOOD within his age of 12 (TWELVE). So what all the Krishna's plays we read and hear are only his child-play to enliven, awaken and EMANCIPATE the IGNORANT shepherd-families. Through them God preaches to the Mankind the high IDEALS of Life and Spiritualism, which is the Backbone of the so called Hindu Religion.
One and the same Lord Narayana took TWO BIRTHS as Rama and then Krishna....and while Rama restrained himself with one wife Seetha, Krishna dealt with thousands of Gopi ladies!....
Why?
Kings and rich men used to have several wives according to Indian Culture and even in the Hindu Temples we worship Lord Muruha along with his two consorts, Valli-devi and Devaani-devi, Lord Shiva with Parwathi-devi and Ganga-devi, Narayana with Bhooma-devi, Maha-Lakshmi, and Neelhaa-devi.
Lord Narayana never speaks INCONGRUENTLY nor preaches INCONSISTENTLY through his various Awatharas (Incarnations)... but one and the same...GOSPELS OF LIFE
...addressing different class of people suiting to each one of them....
....during THAT Age, SITUATION and Circumstances.
Some people even conclude that the King Dasaratha was debaucherous!.
Did Dasaratha attempt to lose his character by interfering with any Woman un-wedded to him?
What is meant by Debauchery?...
Having number of wives...or even Concubines lawfully and morally...is
...not considered as Debauchery....
But if any Man indulges in any illegal or immoral Sexual-affairs with any alien woman or some other's wife....or
...deals with any Prostitute...
...then only it is considered so
...according to Hindu Religion and Moral Code of Practice,
...which is the basis for Hindu-Penal-Code of India.
During Rama Awathaaram, several Rishis and such other Male members fell in love with Lord Rama by His Physical Beauty as well as His Unparallel and Invincible Masculine qualities coupled with Human-Propensities. They craved to enjoy by having him as their Husbands and on their inability to treat Him so....just because they were born as Males...
When they openly expressed such desire, Lord Rama assured them that they will be born as Women in the form of Gopikas and thus can enjoy the NUANCES OF ROMANCE....
Thus Lord Krishna keeps up to his COMMITMENT.... but
...Even before HE attained Youth i.e., within his BOYHOOD age of 12 (Twelve)
....He appeared to them in the MAYA YOUTH FORM
....as Several thousands of YOUNG KRISHNA.... for only Romance
...just to play with them and ENJOY COLLECTIVELY...
....WITHOUT LUST..... Yes.... Repeatedly........WITHOUT LUST !!
...Nothing BEHIND THE CURTAIN .....nor.....CLANDESTINE activity.
...but true to the Holy Spirit of HEARTY LOVERS
...in Congruence with sense and content of Kaamathuppaal in Thirukkuralh.
And Krishna Awatharam is termed as Poorna-Awathaaram, by which he completes his ENDEAVOUR....
....to PERSONALLY INCULCATE...and
...CORRECT the Wrongs of the Right-people... and
...the Rights of the Wrong people...
...educate the Society on the
....Extremities of Royal-Powers and Human-limitations...
...Instilling CONFIDENCE in the Minds of Righteous people.. and
....further clarify on the MEANING OF LIFE.
... free of BLEMISH by any means under all circumstances....realising
...that the Supreme-Power God will never fail to PROTECT..
...while making the people KNOW THE WORTH OF REALITIES
... by means of his personal ILLUSTRATION as to....
.. how the Mankind can ENJOY LIFE collectively
..by means of Mutual UNIVERSAL-LOVE...
..and Conscienceous EARNESTNESS.
- From: R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68-0-198-105.ri.ri.cox.net)
on: Fri Dec 5 07:28:56 EST 2003
//Krishna's plays we read and hear are only his child-play to enliven, awaken and EMANCIPATE the IGNORANT ...."shepherd-families".//
Please read the WRONG wordings :
"Shepherd-families"
...as "COW-HERD Families"
- From: R.Srinivasan. (@ ip68-0-198-105.ri.ri.cox.net)
on: Fri Dec 5 22:47:51 EST 2003
Dear Mr. Chudar,
//.... We have heard lot of stuffs like these 'Who is a Brahmin', 'Any good person is a brahmin' etc in the past. These are nothing but fradulent definitions given to Brahminsim to hide the casteist racist undertones of it.//...
I am unable to understand why some people are centering around this uncalled for Topic of Brahmins or Brahminism and so on!..... that too unnecessarily !!....If you have anything to say about Casteism and the Social-Injustice or Indiscrimination or Oppression caused by it.... Yes anybody is welcome.... and each and every one of us can put forth our divergent views open-mindedly with no HATRED or ILL-WILL to any ONE CASTE or any Individual by caste......
But why this Particular Community...who were and are INNOCENT IN GENERAL ?.... May be a few individuals who have denigrated too low to deserve as Gentlemen....might have indulged in some unworthy acts.... as is seen in every Community in general ..... and common time to time.
Please think over ....whether the Great Dr. Ambedkar ( the Unparallel Gem-Citizen India, who was an Eye-Opener on both the sides of the people concerned)... have ever said so about Brahmins as a whole Community?...Or.... will agree with such baseless allegations.?
Mr. Kamaraj....the Great pride of Tamilnadu.... has ever said so like you? ..or....
Mr. Kakan.... the Embodiment of PURITY by Heart and Soul....the True Gandhian of Tamilnadu... said so like you?
Please come out frankly....what you have got to blame the Brahmin Community as a whole?
...that too naming as BRAHMIN...."ISM"....!!
//..... Except in Ramanujar's history, I dont think non-brahmins ever got 'convereted' to Brahmins.//
No doubt Acharya Ramanujar was an Unparallel Social-Reformer too of the time, to an equal degree alongside his Human-Mission towards Religion and Spiritualism.
But it is not correct to say that He converted anybody to different Caste. No Not at all.
If that were correct.... compared to the disciples of other Acharyas like Sankaracharya and Madhwacharya whose disciples are all invariably Brahmins then and now......
.. why only amongst Ramanujacharya's Disciples (so called SRI-VAISHNAWAS) there are people of all castes right from his time until today? There are even the so called Scheduled Castes whom he equally treated alike with others and named them as "Thirukulathor".... whose specific Caste-name is "Saathaathaar", and are included in the list of Scheduled castes.
//.... Has any one Brahmin ever renounced the 'Brahmin' title (s)he got by birth, saying that (s)he is not fit to be a brahmin by definition.//
Why should anybody RENOUNCE his caste?.... what for?...
....and Who are You or I to ask or comment about it ?....
....It is purely a Private affair of the particular individual....
....No one has any right to comment about it.....
....even in case of any individual... who cannot be deemed fit to be called as Brahmin....
....due to his malefic acts.... as applicable to any Human of any caste?
//... I know personally a lot of such people who are called 'Brahmins' but miles and miles away from leading a good life.//
May be..... as is seen in other castes too..... and the Contemporary days are different.
The present day Brahmins life in general has become worse....day by day.... due to NO FAULT OF THEM..... Please read Mr. MGR's speeches in this context.... You will know the Realities....
....And can you ask or comment like this about any other man by name of Caste or Religion.?
Because Brahmins alone are Tolerant and Non-Retaliatory.....
...you are able to mudsling on that innocent Community.....irrespective of INDIVIDUALS.!!
//So accept that the term Brahmin refers to a caste and brahminism is casteism and nothing more.//
...May be........... as applicable to anybody of any other caste..... there was NEVER so...nor is now....the so called Brahmin..."ISM"... as such.
If somebody says so ...it is only a Political Motive to WIN VOTES.... or born out of UNDUE AND UNJUST HATRED towards a Community who have rendered EXEMPLARY SOCIAL SERVICE to Humanity then and doing NOW TOO.
Dr.Ambedkar had made a thorough Analytical Research on the matter of Social-discrminition and Oppression by some of the so called Forward communities.... and he never blamed the BRAHMIN COMMUNITY as a whole or in the general sense...... because he knows well about Brahmins.... since he was close to Brahmins through his Mentor Mr. Ambedkar, his Brahmin-Teacher who strongly supported and encouraged and guided him time to time as also consoled whenever unduly hurt by others in the name of Caste. That is why he...the "Dr. Bhimji"... adapted his Brahmin-Teacher's Community name and changed as Bhimji Ambedkar.. ... similar to calling Bhimji Iyer.!
Similarly Mr. Kamaraj also knows about Brahmins well, because he worked close along with them during Freedom struggle. and much more than that... he was brought up... from just a Volunteer status to the President of the Party... by a Brahmin Mr. Sathyamoorthi Iyer!!
And Mr. Kakan a poor Farmer-labour got educated and rose up in life as also got well-shaped to handle the heavy responsibilities as a Minster at a difficult time... because he was shaped so by a Brahmin....Advocate Mr. Vaidyanatha Iyer.!
Mr. Annadurai... who wrote about "Brahmin..ISM"... "Arya-Maayai" and the like ...spitting poison on that Innocent Community during the Primary period of his Social- life.....
....what did he say ultimately in the Conference headed by Rajaji in 1967.... before contesting jointly with 7 party alliance against the Congress-Rule?.....please go through and then comment...
He repeanted very much for all his past baseless allegations on Brahmins. Only after seeing such radical change in him, supported by a Brahmin Rajaji... all the Tamilian Brahmins voted in favour of him and his party with full support.... as also worked strenuously and selflessly towards the victory of his party DMK.... which made him Chief-Minister....
So with all the GRATITUDE to Brahmins, he did not repeat his previous undue utterances against them... after he came to power with the support of Brahmins....since he realised his past misunderstanding the True ground Realities.
Now some people like you have started kicking the ladder which has brought you up!!
- From: R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68-0-198-105.ri.ri.cox.net)
on: Sun Dec 14 22:53:36 EST 2003
Domination?
In some of the Advanced countries in the world now-a-days, there is a growing feeling that the foreigners are capturing the National-citizens' Employment-opportunities by means of tight competetion especially for all the high posts.. Such competition comes mostly from the Indians and Chinese they blame. Consequently they are persuading the respective Governments for total deporting of foreign-employees, replacing them with the nationals... as well as refrain from such recruitments of foreigners as a competition to the nationals.
While some Governments are sincerely paying heed to their Appelas and trying their best to restrict this practice, practically they are unable to....
Because the Employers are unable to get adequately qualified National candidates to match not only the optimum but even the minimum requirements of the respective job-demands. Eventually the Employers come back to the respective Governments placing the facts before them.... necessitating foreign recruits...
Besides there is a general impression amongst the Employers that the Foreign-recruits fair better in keeping up to the Quality & Standards and Efficient-performance coupled with Result-delivery even with a lower remuneration. Governments are unable to refute this fact for which the Employers who too are the Nationals of the respective country are unable to meet their minimum job-demands by honouring any blanket restrictions on foreigner-recruitments.
Such a sort of Triangular-tussle is going on for years. Why?
Mainly because such National-citizens who expect the Government and the Respective Society to redress their grievance... are themselves are at fault.... by...
...NOT AVAILING the Abundant opportunities for Educational Advancements provided by the Governments
... or the Options for Self-Employment too provided by the Governments...
.... alongside the Encouragements the Peoples' Society and the Managements of Employers are rendering them.
Eventually the candidates are neither shaping themselves to stand up to the demands of THEIR NATION ...
...nor in THEIR OWN INTEREST...
... other than BLAMING THE GOVERNMENTS.....
... as allowing the Foreigners Domination over the locals.....
..... Is it Domination?.... Can it be called so?
Dr.B.R. Ambedkar... an Eye-Opener Leader for all Indians as well as an Unparallel Social-Reformer for the Down-Trodden as also the Constituitional Sculptor of India.... did his BEST to provide every possible avenue of opportunities for the rapid advancement of the Down-trodden..
... by dealing with the Government on one side...
... and the Forward-Community people on the other side...
.... thirdly with the Downtrodden people themselves to AWAKEN..!
.... Ultimately he could achieve his Goal only on those former TWO sides...
... But NOT on the third Side...ie., his Community Down-Trodden people !!
He tried his best to make them emulate his own example or at least keep up to a fractional part of it by availing the improved opportunitues got provided by him for Education and Employment got provided by him after his strenuous efforts.
Whereas it is a pity that the Great Social-Expert of India could only lament during his later part of life that his words were not duly being honoured by his own Community people... whom he tried his best to convince but failed.... belying his high ambitions towards their uplift.
He stoutly disagreed with their plea that even after the Constituitional safeguard provided for the sake of Downtrodden, the Forward community people were dominating over the Down-trodden by grabbing their Opportunities and thus the undue DOMINATION of the Forward communities continue on the Down-trodden. He used to strongly advise the Downtrodden to educate themselves fast... get employed well... as also raise up the fellow-men... instead of blaming other communities.....
He used to say....
Life is a Race-course.... and EVERY CITIZEN OF INDIA.... has an EQUAL RIGHT to Advance.
... Horse can be provided for the Jockey..
... the Race-course can be formed...
... but who has to win the Race?
Can an IDLE or SLACK JOCKEY Blame the Horse...?
... or others as ...DOMINATION?
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