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- From: bb (@ 12-234-176-52.client.attbi.com)
on: Tue Apr 22 04:37:06 EDT 2003
In 41, nizhal = oLi. Is this correct? Is it a common usage, or is the book wrong?
- From: Pasupathy (@ quebec-hse-ppp3612503.sympatico.ca)
on: Tue Apr 22 15:04:47 EDT 2003
bb:
The authors are right. Verse 15 (EguginRa) to
Verse 26( Ez poziRkum) ...12 verses... ARE
ezu cIr aaciriyac cantha viruththam-s.
In santha viruththams, to put it simply, each adi should not only agree in vaaypaadu like 'kaay' 'maa' etc, but also agree in 'cantha maaththirai'. (rhythmic syllables ) (e.g. 'vandha'
and 'vandhAn' are both thEmA and can substitute each other in an ordinary aaciriya viruththam, but obviously their rhythmic syllables do not match..)
The first santha viruththam(s) Kamban uses are
in 'naattuppadalam'; verse 42 ( iyalpudai..) to verse 51 ( kOdhaikaL..)..total of 10 verses..are one type of canthak kaliviruththam.
nizal=oLI.. Ok.. it is one of its meanings as given in dictionaries.
Pasupathy
- From: bb (@ ouroboros.siebel.com)
on: Tue Apr 22 18:49:21 EDT 2003
44.
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Áñ½¢¨¼ ¦ÅðÎÅ §ÅðÌ ¨Áó¾÷¸û
Àñ¨½¸û À¢Ģ¼õ ÌÆ¢À ¨¼ôÀÉ
Íñ½õ«ì ÌÆ¢¸¨Çò ¦¾¡¼÷óÐ à÷ôÀÉ.
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45.
Àóиû Á¼ó¨¾Â÷ À¢üÚ Å¡Ã¢¨¼î
º¢óÐÅ Óò¾¢Éõ «¨Å¾¢ ÃðÎÅ¡÷
«ó¾Á¢ø º¢Ä¾¢Â÷ ¬üÚ Ìô¨À¸û
ºó¾¢Ãý ´Ç¢¦¸¼ò ¾¨ÆôÀ ¾ñ½¢Ä¡.
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º¢Ä¾¢Â÷ - ²Åø Á¸Ç¢÷.
46.
«Ãí ¸¢¨¼ Á¼ó¨¾Â÷ ¬Î Å¡÷«Å÷
¸Õí¸¨¼ì ¸ñ½Â¢ø ¸¡Á÷ ¦¿ïº¢¨É
¯ÕíÌÅ ÁüÚ «Å÷¯Â¢÷¸û «ýÉÅ÷
ÁÕíÌø§À¡ø §¾öÅÉ ÅÇ÷ÅÐ ¬¨º§Â.
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«ÃíÌ - ¿¼É «ÃíÌ.
¸¡Á÷ - Å¢ÕôÀõ.
¯ÕíÌÅ - ¯ñÏÅ.
47.
¦À¡Æ¢ÅÉ §º¡¨Ä¸û Ò¾¢Â §¾ý º¢Ä
Å¢¨ÆÅÉ ¦¾ýÈÖõ Á¢»¢Ú ¦Áø¦ÄÉ
ѨÆÅÉ «ýɨŠѨÆ §¿¡¦Å¡Î
̨ÆÅÉ ¾½ó¾Å÷ ¦¸¡¾¢ìÌõ ¦¸¡í¨¸§Â.
º¢Ä §º¡¨Ä¸û «ýÈÄ÷ó¾ ÁÄ÷¸Ç¢ÖûÇ §¾¨Éî ¦º¡Ã¢Ôõ. Á¢Ìó¾ Å¢ÕôÀÓ¨¼Â ¦¾ýÈø ¸¡üÚõ ÅñÎõ ¦Áý¨ÁÔ¼ý «î§º¡¨Ä¸Ç¢ø ѨÆÔõ. þùÅ¡Ú Ñ¨ÆŨ¾ Ô½÷ó¾ Áí¨¸Â÷ ¾¨ÄÅÃô À¢Ã¢ó¾ Ţø¾¡Àò¾¡ø ÅÕó¾, «Å÷¸Ù¨¼Â Á¡÷À¸í¸û ¦ÅÐõÒõ.
Á¢»¢Ú - ÅñÎ.
¾½ó¾Å÷ - ¾¨ÄŨÉô À¢Ã¢óРŢø ¾¡Àò¾¢ø §Á×õ Á¸Ç¢÷.
48.
þÈíÌÅ Á¸Ã¡ú ±Îò¾ þýÉ¢¨º
¿¢Èí¸¢Ç÷ À¡¼Ä¡ø ¿¢Á¢÷Å «ùÅÆ¢
¸ÈíÌÅ ÅûÅ¢º¢ ¸ÕÅ¢ ¸ñÓ¸¢úòÐ
¯ÈíÌÅ Á¸Ç¢§Ã¡Î µÐõ ¸¢û¨Ç§Â.
ŨÇóÐõ Á¸ÃÅÊÅò¾¢Öõ, ¯ûÇ Â¡Æ¢ø Å¢Ãø¸¨Ç Á£ðÎ ±ØôÀôÀÎõ þýÉ¢¨ºÔ¼ý Á¸Ç¢÷ À¡Îž¡ø ¿ýÌ ±ÎòРŢÇí¸, «¾üÌ ²üÀò §¾¡Ä¡ü º¨Áì¸ôÀð¼ Áò¾Çí¸û ÓÆíÌõ. «ò¾¨¸Â Á¸Ç¢Ã¢¼õ §Àº¢ô ÀÆÌõ ¸¢Ç¢¸û ¸ñ¸¨Ç ãÊ즸¡ñÎ ¯ÈíÌõ.
¿¢Á¢÷¾ø - þ¨º ¿ýÌ Å¢Çí̾ø.
¸ÈíÌÅ - ´Ä¢ôÀ
ÅûÅ¢º¢ ¸ÕÅ¢ - Áò¾Çõ.
¸¢û¨Ç - ¸¢Ç¢.
- From: bb (@ ouroboros.siebel.com)
on: Tue Apr 22 18:51:03 EDT 2003
Pasupathi, thanks for the explanation. I guessed as much, but I am still not sure of a rigorous definition. Any way of remembering the different sandha muththirais?
- From: bb (@ ouroboros.siebel.com)
on: Tue Apr 22 19:08:43 EDT 2003
In 45, does «ó¾Á¢ø mean «ùÅ¡Ú?
- From: À¡Ä¡ƒ¢ (@ ppp-219.65.96.67.chn.vsnl.net.in)
on: Tue Apr 22 20:16:54 EDT 2003
«ó¾Á¢ø º¢Ä¾¢Â÷ - «ÇÅ¢øľ (Á¢¸ôÀÄáÉ) ²Åø ¦ºö Á¸Ç¢÷.
«ó¾õ þø - ÓÊÅ¢øÄ¡¾ - þíÌ «Ç¨ÅøÄ¡¾ ±Ûõ ¦À¡ÕÇ¢ø.
" ¬¾¢Ôõ «ó¾Óõ þøÄ¡ «Õð ¦ÀÕõ §ƒ¡¾¢" - þ¾¢ø «ó¾õ - ÓÊ×
- From: Pasupathy (@ quebec-hse-ppp3612503.sympatico.ca)
on: Tue Apr 22 20:20:12 EDT 2003
bb:
'±Øò¾¢Ä츽' Á¡ò¾¢¨ÃìÌõ 'ºó¾' Á¡ò¾¢¨ÃìÌõ §ÅÚÀ¡Î¸û ¯ñÎ. ÍÕì¸Á¡É Å¢¾¢¸û À¢ýÅÕÁ¡Ú;
1. ÌÈ¢ø =´Õ Á¡ò¾¢¨Ã
2. ¦¿Êø=ÌÈ¢ø+´üÚ=¦¿Êø+´üÚ = þÃñÎ Á¡ò¾¢¨Ã
(ÌÈ¢ø ÁðÎõ ´Õ Á¡ò¾¢¨Ã; ÁüȨŠþÃñÎ)
3. «Ê¢ý þÚ¾¢Â¢§Ä¡, ºÁÁ¡ö ÅÕõ «¨ÃÂÊ¢ý þÚ¾¢Â¢§Ä¡ ÅÕõ ÌÈ¢ø¸û þÃñÎ Á¡ò¾¢¨Ã¸û ¦ÀÚõ.(«Åü¨È ¦¿Êø §À¡Äì ¸Õ¾§ÅñÎõ.)
4. º£÷¸Ç¢ý þ¨¼Â¢ø ÅÕõ ö,÷,ø,ù,ú, û ´üÚ¸Ùõ, º¢ÄÅ¢¼í¸Ç¢ø ¦ÁøÄ¢É ´üÚ¸Ùõ Á¡ò¾¢¨Ã ¸½ìÌô ¦ÀÈ¡.
þó¾ Å¢¾¢¸û 'Å¢Õò¾ô À¡Å¢Âø' ±ýÈ áÄ¢ø ¯ûÇÉ.
ÀÍÀ¾¢
- From: Pasupathy (@ quebec-hse-ppp3612503.sympatico.ca)
on: Tue Apr 22 20:20:20 EDT 2003
bb:
'±Øò¾¢Ä츽' Á¡ò¾¢¨ÃìÌõ 'ºó¾' Á¡ò¾¢¨ÃìÌõ §ÅÚÀ¡Î¸û ¯ñÎ. ÍÕì¸Á¡É Å¢¾¢¸û À¢ýÅÕÁ¡Ú;
1. ÌÈ¢ø =´Õ Á¡ò¾¢¨Ã
2. ¦¿Êø=ÌÈ¢ø+´üÚ=¦¿Êø+´üÚ = þÃñÎ Á¡ò¾¢¨Ã
(ÌÈ¢ø ÁðÎõ ´Õ Á¡ò¾¢¨Ã; ÁüȨŠþÃñÎ)
3. «Ê¢ý þÚ¾¢Â¢§Ä¡, ºÁÁ¡ö ÅÕõ «¨ÃÂÊ¢ý þÚ¾¢Â¢§Ä¡ ÅÕõ ÌÈ¢ø¸û þÃñÎ Á¡ò¾¢¨Ã¸û ¦ÀÚõ.(«Åü¨È ¦¿Êø §À¡Äì ¸Õ¾§ÅñÎõ.)
4. º£÷¸Ç¢ý þ¨¼Â¢ø ÅÕõ ö,÷,ø,ù,ú, û ´üÚ¸Ùõ, º¢ÄÅ¢¼í¸Ç¢ø ¦ÁøÄ¢É ´üÚ¸Ùõ Á¡ò¾¢¨Ã ¸½ìÌô ¦ÀÈ¡.
þó¾ Å¢¾¢¸û 'Å¢Õò¾ô À¡Å¢Âø' ±ýÈ áÄ¢ø ¯ûÇÉ.
ÀÍÀ¾¢
- From: À¡Ä¡ƒ¢ (@ ppp-219.65.96.195.chn.vsnl.net.in)
on: Tue Apr 22 20:26:15 EDT 2003
«ó¾Á¢ø º¢Ä¾¢Â÷ - «ÇÅ¢øÄ¡¾ (Á¢¸ôÀÄáÉ) ²Åø ¦ºö Á¸Ç¢÷.
«ó¾õ þø - ÓÊÅ¢øÄ¡¾
þíÌ Á¸Ç¢Ã¢ý Á¢Ì¾¢¨Âì ÌÈ¢ìÌõ Åñ½õ, «ÇÅ¢øÄ¡¾ ±Ûõ ¦À¡ÕÇ¢ø.
" ¬¾¢Ôõ «ó¾Óõ þøÄ¡ «Õð ¦ÀÕõ §ƒ¡¾¢"
þ¾¢ø «ó¾õ - ÓÊ×
- From: bb (@ ouroboros.siebel.com)
on: Wed Apr 23 18:34:56 EDT 2003
Thanks, Pas and Balaji.
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