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- From: murugadas (@ 210.186.103.131)
on: Fri Feb 27 11:15:59 EST 2004
A few words about Ramana Maharishi, the Sage of AruNachala. He was born in 1879 as Venkataraman, in place called
ThiruChulizyal in Ramanathapuram District. He was studying and at the same time interested in sports. He once had an out-body
xperience wherein his soul went out and came inside his body again. Thi is a very rare experince. One day, a relative came to
Ranmana and mentined abou ThiuvaNNaamalai. The mere mention of the name sparked off something - something deeply
ingrained into his soul. That had been dormant all this while. Suddenly ther developed an urge - an insatiable urge for a search.
He did not kow what he was going to search because he did not know there was something o search. One day, he took the
examination fee of his elder brother and went off in search of ThiruvaNNaamalai of which he did not kow anything. He wrote
aletter to his family, 'I am going in search of my Father, attending to His call. Do not put in any effort to search for this.' And he
went by train to all these plase without even having some basic knowledeg
- From: babu (@ webproxy.westgroup.com)
on: Fri Feb 27 17:30:54 EST 2004
thanks sir.
- From: murugadas (@ 210.186.103.15)
on: Fri Feb 27 19:04:12 EST 2004
Before Ramana left home, one day he had a mortal fear of death.
He lay down and thought of what his body was, who he was really and thereupon started his quest for the knowledge of self. And then he had the out-of-body experience.
The fear of death disappeared as suddenly as it had appeared.
He felt that the body was a separate entity and that 'I-ness' was something different. It was untouched by death.
The true self was the real one. But it was so deep down within man's natural being that it was almost impossible to be realised.
- From: murugadas (@ 210.186.103.15)
on: Fri Feb 27 19:15:48 EST 2004
The exact words that Ramana wrote on a piece of paper has been translated thus:
"*I* have, in search of my Father, and in obedience to his command,started from here. *This* is only embarking on a virtuous enterprise. Therefore none need grief over this affair. To trcae this out, no money need be spent".
There is something most important to be noted in the above words.
I have put astrisks at the words *I* and *This*.
Ramana has cryptcally indicated that when leaving his home and family and other things that bind him to his birthhood, the first thing to go mut be the 'I-ness' - the 'Ego'.
That which makes a person identify himself relative to the world that he was born in.
Once having cast that feeling out, he no more wants to address himself as *I*.
So he indicates himself by *This*.
It is a very beautiful piece of diction.
It encompasses a most important tenet of Indian Zen.
- From: murugadas (@ 210.186.103.15)
on: Fri Feb 27 19:26:14 EST 2004
*He* becomes impersonal to himself.
Because *He* is real while himself is not.
- From: murugadas (@ 210.186.103.15)
on: Fri Feb 27 19:27:48 EST 2004
Ah!
That above thing that I just wrote qualifies to be a first-rated Zen saying.
Because most of you would not be understanding what I wrote there.
- From: spaceman_spiff (@ 203.200.54.66)
on: Sat Feb 28 08:23:02 EST 2004
Don't know if you fellas have already talked about this. But I'm really curious about the somewhat funny (if I may be permitted to use that) parts in Kandhar Shashti Kavasam. Like:
moga moga moga moga moga moga mogana
naha naha naha naha naha naha nahena
digu kuna digu digu digu kuna diguna
(http://www.kaumaram.com/texts/texts_kske.html)
Does it mean anything? Is it Tamil (maybe naha is in the sense of 'laugh/smile'?), or any language at all?
- From: murugadas (@ 210.186.103.25)
on: Sat Feb 28 19:22:11 EST 2004
I was writing an explanation for the above question.
I was dealing with combinations of syllables and sounds......
And then the whole thing collapsed and I had to restart the computer.
- From: murugadas (@ 210.186.103.31)
on: Sun Feb 29 09:13:34 EST 2004
Lets try again.
Words are formed by the combinations of sounds and syllables.
They are given meanings.
All sounds can be combined convey meanings.
A word that means one thing in a particular language may mean something else in another language or may be gibberish in still another language.
Not only that.
You can make use of gestures, signs, flags, smoke, light, and objects to make words with meanings.
Short and long spurts of clicks are combined in various ways to form words in Morse Code.
Mere sound can convey meaning - Ah, Oh, Ai, etc.
The meanings that they convey may vary with the intonations with which they are uttered.
Meaningless clucking noise or clicking noise made by the tongue, go into word formation in the case of the Hottentot and Bushman language. Hottentots and Bushmen live in South West African bush.
These sounds that a Bushman makes may seem to be meaningless. But they carry meaning which the
Bushman understands.
These 'moga, moga, moga, digu, digu, digu, ra ra ra ra ra ra, etc are biijams which form the Mantra Language.
Only a Mantrik scholar would understand what they stand for and how to combine them to carry various meanings and power.
Just like the clickings of Morse code can be understood by a signals engineer or telegraphist.
- From: murugadas (@ 210.186.103.22)
on: Sun Feb 29 19:32:52 EST 2004
If you are further interested in this, you can ring me up and ask.
You give me your email id, and I will inform how and when to contact.
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