Topic suggested by aruLarasan on Wed Nov 11 01:33:23 .
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Here we go. The IRRadi I propose is http://www.crhc.uiuc.edu/~balaji/venpa.txt |
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- From: babu (@ 198.153.135.42)
on: Wed Feb 24 14:54:01
oops cut & paste problem, ignore the last line !
- From: balaji (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu)
on: Wed Feb 24 15:58:54
babu: celluloid versions? enakku therinju onnu thaan irukkunnu nenaikkirEn, *ing KBS as kavundhi adigaL.. innum irukkA?
- From: babu (@ 198.153.135.42)
on: Wed Feb 24 16:27:12
Balaji : theriyaama oru 's' seeththu pottutten. mannitharuLveer :-)
- From: OTL_ubayam (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu)
on: Fri Feb 26 07:59:25
otl cilampu cilampu 02 1. sound, noise, resonance, buzz; 2. tinkling anklets worn by women; 3. oblong hollow ring of brass filled with pebbles and
shaken before an idol in worship, etc.; 4. mountain; 5. mountain slope; 6. mountain cave, cavern
- From: balaji (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu)
on: Fri Feb 26 08:48:11
EdhO silambila aarambithu adhu naduvile track maarip pOchu.. mannichukkunga!
kanavinil vandhennai AtkoLLum eNNam
manadhinil nIngA silambu - ninaivugaL
enRum silambinil vIsidum thenRalAi
ennai idhamAi varudidum - kaNNaith
thiRandhu vizhiga Lirukki mudindha
siRandha kanavinai eNNi - paRandha
ulagaivittu bhUmikku vandhAlum kEttEn
palavagaip peNgaL silambu.
- From: chandra (@ viking.delta-air.com)
on: Fri Feb 26 09:11:19
Hooray...the pAHRotai veNpA seen here!
Balaji,
Good one.
The context of "silambu" in the second adi is not
clear. Is it "cilappathikAram"?
You used to post Tamil font version of your poems, what happened to that policy?
I was requesting folks to post
txltd verison *also*.
HWat is that "pala vagaip peNkaL"...?
What are the various of categories of ladies?? ;-)
I thought a veNpAvalan liked only one
category of ladies, the highest class...;-)
chandra
- From: babu (@ 198.153.135.42)
on: Fri Feb 26 09:37:59
good one balaji
- From: balaji (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu)
on: Sat Feb 27 17:36:58
chandra, babu.. thanks.
is this an exact pAHRotai venpa? adhukku enna rules?
silambu in second line means resonance, buzz (the first meaning in OTL).
tamil font pOda i will have to search for a PC, so pannalai..
about various categories of ladies, hhmmmmmmmm:-))))))
- From: babu (@ 198.153.135.42)
on: Mon Mar 1 10:06:00
testing, please ignore this posting, thanks.
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- From: chandra (@ viking.delta-air.com)
on: Mon Mar 1 12:19:54
Babu, how could it be ignored...when you are
trying to make a not-so-meaningless statememt?
Balaji,
I was away to teh Grand Canyons over the weekend.
paHRodai veNpA is any veNpA over 4 adis.
kuRaL veNpA = 2 adi
chindhiyal veNpA = 3 adi
[a chindu (a short person) is slightly taller than a kuRaL (also a hort person) : not just as adjectives but as names]
veNpA = 4 adi
pAHRodai veNpA= greater than 4 adis and less than 12 adi. If a thanichchol occurs it must occur at
every alternate adi as does your veNpA.
More than 12 adi apparently falls under kali veNpA
category (SivapurANam by maNickavAsakar).
I have not forgotten your suggestion to open an AsiriyappA thread...
I will do it this week with posting of teh rules.
Please bear with me.
chandra
- From: balaji (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu)
on: Tue Mar 2 00:36:55
pudhukkavidhai udaindha urainadaiyaa? udaiyaadha pudhukkavidhai thaan urainadaiyO?
- From: Babu (@ 198.153.135.42)
on: Tue Mar 2 09:41:05
testing, please ignore this posting, thanks.
º ÀÌñÅ Ø ° þº Å °ÁÝ Å × â ;-))
- From: balaji (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu)
on: Tue Mar 2 11:39:13
sari, sari, naan paamaran thaan, adhai eppadi ignore panna mudiyum:-))
- From: babu (@ 198.153.135.42)
on: Thu Mar 4 16:44:56
what happened ? yaaraiyum kaanum ? what is the next veNpa we are going to compose ?
- From: chandra (@ viking.delta-air.com)
on: Thu Mar 4 20:10:42
Babu,
Glad that somebody is anxious about the inactivity in this thread...
I was busy with compiling the rules for AciriyappA which should be released soon.
Why don't you throw a challenege to the lowly
pAmarans from Tamilakam...? ;-);-).
I think Balaji took the lead in coming up
with a paHRotai veNpA.
For a change, we could get into the an-thAthi
mode for sometime and connect up.
When I posted a smple veNpA for marutham thiNai as part of the intro to akam, some people
raised issue with the appearance of the pA too
male-oriented. I did not point out at that time that it was totally opposite:
95+ percent of akam poems are all by a thalaivi
or by someone like her thOzi or ceviliththAy who
express feelings from the thalaivi's point of view!
And my observation is that most kavithais
composed by men today hardly express the woman's
perspective.
So I feel that we may have an an-thAthi where
male and female poits of view alternate with the veNpAs. This should be challenging.
Of course we have to establish the protocol to
facilitate maximum participation and avoid confusion.
chandra
- From: balaji (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu)
on: Thu Mar 4 22:01:37
Glad that somebody is anxious about the inactivity in this thread...
enna chandra, ippadi sollitteenga? naanum inge thaan irukkEn.
anthAthi maadhiri vachukkalaam, but i am skeptical about it being about a certain topic.. for one, i find it difficult to write about a thalaivi waiting for thalaivan;-) probably because i don't have much background in reading such stuff, and my writing has always been based on contemporary situations.
- From: Chandra (@ user-37kb0cm.dialup.mindspring.com)
on: Thu Mar 4 23:04:13
Balaji,
n-Ingka illinAyilE avvaLavu thUraththil irukkiRathu enakku ingE irun-thu koNdu in-thath thirai vaziyAth theriyavillaiyE :-)
About this thalavi business, I did not mean that we restrict ourselves to the calssical scenatrios...I simplyu menat that we compose poems that express female feelings...i.e.as if a female composed the poem. It could be anything decent...:-).
I hope that has helped in clearing the confusion.
- From: balaji (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu)
on: Thu Mar 4 23:58:11
chandra: saw ur postings in the test thread, on aasiriyappa. please start a thread, but don't post the rules there. please send me the rules, so that i can make it into a html file, upload it to forumhub.com and give it a link from top, so that it will serve as a document and not get squashed in old responses. or if u have it as a html file, that too is fine. my email id is in the handle (please send it as an attachment).
- From: babu (@ 198.153.135.236)
on: Fri Mar 5 00:25:46
Chandra, thats a good idea we can start it right away, I will write one t'row. BTW, please let me know if you are going to start a aasiriyappa thread, I don't want to be left out.
- From: Chandra (@ viking.delta-air.com)
on: Fri Mar 5 10:39:02
Balaji,
I had posteduse dthe test thread for testing the draft and I was expecting some feedback from arUl on adi maRi mantila AciriyappA. I intended to finally post in a formal fashion.
Filks please read it and give feed back to me
so I can edit it further before releasing it.
Babu, you will not be left out...:-) I am again glad that someone is anxious about being left out of new activities ;-)
- From: balaji (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu)
on: Fri Mar 5 11:23:28
chandra: adhaan solren, neenga rules-ai post panna vEndaam. we can make it as a document and put it up. please send me the rules, as a file, and i will do the necessary. in that manner, the rules will be in a html file, accessible from a link at the top, as i have done for this thread.
- From: babu (@ 198.153.135.42)
on: Fri Mar 5 11:29:20
Folks please read it and give feed back to me
so I can edit it further before releasing it.
Enakku onnum puriyala ! Where is this test posting ? Balaji, I like your idea, please post it that way. And inform the thread name in this theard.
- From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu)
on: Fri Mar 5 12:05:28
babu: expr forumlle test threadlle paarunga.
- From: chandra (@ viking.delta-air.com)
on: Fri Mar 5 13:50:59
All right...I will email you the file, Balaji.
Chandra
- From: Chandra (@ viking.delta-air.com)
on: Fri Mar 5 18:31:55
I had some other ideas also for proceeding further:
1. anthAthi proposal as before.
2. games like using a word with multiple
meanings.
3. translating some nice quotations of
poets such as Tagore etc (some of which I have collected )
into veNpA etc.
A sample:
"WE, the rustling leaves, have a voice that answers the storms, but who are you so silent?"
"I am a mere flower."
-- Rabindranath Tagore, "Stray Birds"
4. or any thing that the rest of the can think of...:-)
Chandra
- From: babu (@ 198.153.135.236)
on: Fri Mar 5 23:47:36
Yes, chandra, the Tagore quotation veNpA idea is also nice. Tagore is the greatest poet IMO and my favourite quote is
"I love my God because He gives me the freedom to deny him"
I will try and write veNpa on both these shortly.
- From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu)
on: Sat Mar 6 02:35:09
chandra: did u get my mail?
- From: chandra (@ viking.delta-air.com)
on: Sat Mar 6 16:39:41
Balaji,
I have read it just now.
It looks great with all that underlining etc.
Thank you very much.
I feel that some rearrangements need to be made.
Also I need to add an example for 'iNaik kuRaL Aciriyam".
Chandra
Babu,
That statement about God by Tagore sounds like
something from the Russell-Whitehead discourse on logic; very interesting.
That flower quotation's ending supplies a nice
IRRAdi for a veNpA.
I came across anotehr quoatation of Tagore's from "Stary Birds" but
did not record it; it goes something like:
"the dew drop on the leaf said to the lake below:
"I am drop of water on a leaf; but you are a drop of water too...but a big one".
Do any of you have the exact quotation?
- From: balaji (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu)
on: Sat Mar 6 23:01:32
chandra: i guess u mean stray birds and not stary birds. it is available here:
http://eldred.ne.mediaone.net/rt/stray.htm
the quote u r looking for is:
"YOU are the big drop of dew under the lotus leaf, I am the smaller one on its upper side," said the dewdrop to the lake. "
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