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- From: Babu (@ 198.153.135.42)
on: Wed Jan 27 09:52:57
kadaikkaN karummai vazin-thOda aaRaay
udaiyakaRRi uchchaththil mUzgi - idaiyOdu
n-aankaNda inbangkaL Itaaga kaNtathillai
kaNthiRan-tha an-n-aaL muthal.
- From: chandra (@ viking.delta-air.com)
on: Wed Jan 27 14:50:57
Babu,
That first veNpA is a fast one like a kaliviruththam.
Of course when you use 2-asai sIrs only in a vENpA,
you are bound to get that type of cadence.
kataichchIruk kERRa kataiyennum chollin
thotaichchIrmai yaikkaruthith thAnE - itaippatta
chIrellAm thANtich chiRan-tha itamvittu
mARiyathOr cholpEr muthal.
thotai = placement of words and sIrs in ethugai and mOnai
thotaichchIrmai = fitness for thotai
[to enable "itai" to be a thanichcol which requires ethugai
with first sIr which can be offered only by "katai" not by "muthal"]
chandra
Atlanta
- From: babu (@ 198.153.135.42)
on: Wed Jan 27 17:39:35
so chandra, have I passed or failed the exam ? :-)
- From: Chandra (@ viking.delta-air.com)
on: Wed Jan 27 19:28:32
Babu,
I only called this a "challenge" not an exam...;-). You of course successfully managed
the challenge, Babu.
The "katain-thaaL kanavaal" veNpA was real nice;
You can see that using good mOnai also has
helped.
With your second veNpA, the mOnai is between
the first and second siRs only of the first 2 adis.
"
kadaikkaN karummai vazin-thOda aaRaay
udaiyakaRRi uchchaththil mUzgi - idaiyOdu "
As I said before, this mOnai does not take
one far. 4-sIr pAs (whether veNpA or AsiriyappA) have predominantly mOnai
involving sIrs #1 & #3; else #1, #2 & #4.
That is, you need to make the last two connected
up. Having just #1+#2 is not enough.
You can see this for yourself by reading
the AuvaiyAr veNpAs or ThirumurugARRuppadai appendix veNpAs.
as I said before, teh exceptions are when the sentence itself flows naturally.
In general the firts adi is the key to
getting any pA off to a good start.
It need not be only through mOnai.
for example:
n-elluk kiRaiththan-Ir vAykkAl vazhiyOdip
pullukkum AngkE posiyumAm - thollulalgil
n-allAr oruvar uLarEl avarporut(tu)
ellArkkum peyyum mazhai.
Here, only the second adi has noticeable
mOnai. The first adi
has no mOnai. But still flows well.
I have observed that "thogai" (vERRumaithogai, vinaiththogai etc.)
phrases need to
be handled properly to avoid hindrance to the
flow. They probably cause difficult flow because such phrases usually have too few vowels which act as lubricants, so to speak.
Your second veNpA starts with such a thogai phrase: katakkaN karumai = kataikkaNNin (or kataikkaNNil uLLa) + karumai
"kataikkaN karumai vazhin-thOda aaRaay" ...
whereas, for example, ...
"kataikkaNNil aaRaayk karumaivazhin- thOda"...
or, even if you wnated
"kataikkaN karumai vazhi-thaaRaay Oda"...
would make a big difference.
Chandra
- From: babu (@ 198.153.135.42)
on: Wed Jan 27 19:39:04
Chandra, thanks for that. I understand what you say, and when I wrote that "kataikaN" veNpa I know it did not flow properly, but somehow I could not fix it. Your two alternatives are great, that makes a lot of difference.
Where is Balaji ?
And what is the next "challenge" ? :-)
- From: chandra (@ viking.delta-air.com)
on: Wed Jan 27 20:35:15
I wonder where Balaji is, too? or AruLarasan
for that matter.
As for the next challenge, may be it is your
turn...?
- From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu)
on: Wed Jan 27 23:53:02
ada, oru naalile ennai thedareengale..naan nightle thaan work pannuven. ippo thaan paathEn, ezhudharEn..
- From: balaji (@ compq1.crhc.uiuc.edu)
on: Thu Jan 28 06:21:32
kataikkaNNaal kaNta ezilmiku peNNai
vitaikkaaNaa malpin thotarn-thum itaivitaathu
n-Eraththai vINcheythum onRum payanillai
vERenna vENtum muthal?
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- From: babu (@ 198.153.135.42)
on: Thu Jan 28 09:47:11
okay chandra, why dont we write a patriotic nErisai veNpa ( I am sick of these sentimental love pAs, though they come to me naturally :-))
*ALL* the sIrs in the veNpa should have monai with the sound 'pa' (for 'paattu').
- From: chandra (@ viking.delta-air.com)
on: Thu Jan 28 15:02:54
Balaji,
Thanks for your report in veNpA form on the "activities" you were
engaged in while the rest of us were all busy with other things...;-) We were worried that you might have lost your way following some "ezhil uruvam" or other.
Welcome back!
It was nice by the way. Could you clarify what the
IRRadi is intended to convey? I suppose you mean
"what else comes before...? The is not
clear.
What are those cryptic characters that accompany your publication, Balaji? Is there a "shadow veNpA"
hidden there, for some "ezhil miku kataikkaNgaL" only? ;-)
I think I have pulled your legs enough...
Babu,
So you mean that every sIr must begin with some
pakaram uyirmey or other (i.e., any of the 18 uyirmeys pa, paa, pi..etc). Am I right?
Sounds real challenging.
chandra
- From: babu (@ 198.153.135.42) on: Thu Jan 28 15:17:40
yeah chandra, thats what I meant, any pakaram uyirmey.
- From: chandra (@ viking.delta-air.com) on: Thu Jan 28 16:10:10
pathinaaRu paakamaayp panmozikaL pEchchum
pathivirathap peNmaNiyar pottum - pothiyilaiyum
paarithanil pOrthavirkkum paNpaatum peRRilangkum
paarathaththaip pErchollip paatu.
pothiyil = pothigai malai
3rd adi refers to patience and nonviolence.
peRRu + ilangum = peRRuth thigazum
- From: chandra (@ viking.delta-air.com) on: Thu Jan 28 16:11:40
I understand that right now offically recorgnized there are 16 national languages.
chandra
- From: chandra (@ viking.delta-air.com) on: Thu Jan 28 16:20:32
Please consider this version (rather, also):
I simply changed the IRRadi's first sIr
to match the "paarithanil" sIr of 3rd adi.
pathinaaRu paakamaayp panmozikaL pEchchum
pathivirathap peNmaNiyar pottum - pothiyilaiyum
paarithanil pOrthavirkkum paNpaatum peRRilangkum
paarathaththin pErchollip paatu.
- From: balaji (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Fri Jan 29 00:13:55
chandra: there, muthal - investment..what other investment do u want me to do??that kind of thing. cryptic characters?? adhu thamizh version, in anjal..ok, from next time, i will just post the transliteration as i was doing earlier..
- From: balaji (@ compq1.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Fri Jan 29 04:18:54
ok, oru jollyaana venpa:
pasumaimigu pullai pidungidap pOnEn
pasumAdu pakkam paduththidap pOnEn
pisAsonRaip pArkkap paralOgam pOnEn
pidichudhAn pOchudA piththu.
- From: SPS (@ semiramis.erlm.siemens.de) on: Fri Jan 29 07:19:35
indha thread'ai rombaa naaLaa BG'la irundhu watch paNNittirukkEn. innaikki naanum inspire aayi, oru veNba post paNNi irukkEn. I request you to please forgive me for any errors and also please teach me the correct one. My sincere thanks to BB for teaching the veNba rules & also for helping me in my maiden veNba attempt.
ilakkin driNaiyaththil mEindhE varumen
vazhakkaththai maatri puthuvazhiyung kaatti
ozhukkamum ootiya thEnthamizhth thaayE
muzhanginEn undhan pugazh.
iNaiyam = internet
ilakindri iNayaththil mEindhE varum en = my habit of browsing internet without any goal/aim ;)
- From: babu (@ ) on: Fri Jan 29 10:53:17
pirivinaip paalaiyil pUkkaL puthaiya
parithavikkum paarathamE! pongku! pariyaay
payaminRi pOritu ! poygaL posungka
puyalaay puratchip puri!
- From: babu (@ ) on: Fri Jan 29 10:57:16
My earlier veNpa is my response to the recent spate of religious violence in India. I strongly feel something should be done to end this.
Babu
- From: chandra (@ viking.delta-air.com) on: Fri Jan 29 11:28:18
SPS,
Your maiden veNpA is super! We welcome you in to
the field!
It is very cohesive, the whole veNpA forms one
integral sentence. The adis also match in measure
and good ethugai too!
Great Job!
chandra
Atlanta.
- From: babu (@ ) on: Fri Jan 29 13:19:31
Chandra, your pakaram veNpa is very good. So is Balaji's jestful and SPS' mainden one.
- From: balaji (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Fri Jan 29 14:40:58
babu: a touching veNpA!! but pariyaai pOridu sounds odd.
- From: balaji (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Fri Jan 29 14:45:48
chandra & babu, let me introduce SPS to u. SPS a.k.a sivakumar, is in bangalore, and has been avidly interested in veNpAs. he has finally come out with a veNpA, after many mails between us. he is also an active participant in the TFM-DF and knows all about restaurants in bangalore:-)))
- From: babu (@ ) on: Fri Jan 29 15:57:31
Balaji: Thanks. what do you find odd in pariyaay pOridu. I thought 'pari' means a horse, am I wrong ?
- From: babu (@ ) on: Fri Jan 29 15:58:33
Ah ! Sivakumar ? Is that you ? Remember me ?
- From: chandra (@ viking.delta-air.com) on: Fri Jan 29 17:36:12
veNpA arangERRiya puthup pAvalanmEl
paalaaji enkinRa paNputaiya paavalanin
thOlaamin nanjchal thanippayiRchi - yaalEthan
chon-thath thiRamaiyellaam chErththuch chivakumaran
than-thamuthal veNpaavO thEn.
thOl = fail (from which thOlvi is derived);
that is tholuthal or thoRRal is to fail.
thOlaa + min + anjchal + thani + payiRchi =
unfailing private tutoring effort through email
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pirivinayai ethurththup pakara veNpA
pirivinaiyaam pEychcheyalaip pORRivaLarp paaraip
parivinRip paayn-thu piLappOm - poRuththathelaam
pOthumataa pongkiyezu poyyar piNamazaiyaip
paarthikaikkap peyvOm patarn-thu.
patar = spread
chandra
Atlanta
- From: chandra (@ viking.delta-air.com) on: Fri Jan 29 17:44:54
Balaji,
As for those cryptic chars, I think you are
trying to paste the Tamil text area also. I wonder
if web browsers can display that. Can you help us
in this regard? If one could do that, that would
be lovely. I do have Murasu app running but
cannot have your veNpA displayed in Tamil font.
And congratulations on getting one more excellent veNpA composer on board. That is wonderful of you. This means a lot to me personally as it makes me feel that we can indeed reach our goal of reviving this wonderful and invaluable tradition. Let us infect even more hidden talents!
I salute thee!
chandra
- From: balaji (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Fri Jan 29 18:36:12
chandra, thanks for ur words.
about the tamil text, of course, u can see veNpA in tamil font. if u have netscape,
in options, define user-defined font to be that of anjal (anjal and inaimathi), and set ur font to be user-defined.
if u have explorer, u need to open anjal, and change the fonts to user-defined.
if u have problems, please send me an email and i can help u out.
babu: yes, pari of course means horse, just that fighting like a horse seems to be an odd simile.
- From: babu (@ 198.153.135.42) on: Thu Jan 28 15:17:40
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