Topic started by Chandra on Mon May 17 14:14:07 .
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A catch all thread for marabuppAs that are neither veNpA nor AciriyappA.
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- From: Hari Krishnan (@ 202.144.10.237)
on: Sun Nov 14 20:49:35
̑: ̱
ب ݑ!
Ҷ э إэ ؍
בت 흀ƴ . ( . ̱ ƀ ր. ґ?)
- From: venkat (@ vectra2.riken.go.jp)
on: Sun Nov 14 21:34:12
á,
ը¡ Ţ. ¢š Ţ âӾ. м ɨ м Ţ츢 .
Ȣ ¨ǡ ﺢ ɧš . ﺢ Ģ ȡ ::-))
§, ú ¢ Ţɢ 측 ħ. ::-))
, šﺢ¢ Ţ â š ̨ š, ɢ (Ģ Ǣ) θ.
⢠Ũ, ﺢ¢ ʧ¡, ʧ¡ ç . ¡ (ġﺣ ) Ȣ¦ â?
ʧ Ȣ Ţ , 즸 վŢ¡¢,
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ţ
Ũĸ ġ Ţ¡ Ȣ
ȡ!
츢ξ (cross posting) ɢ. ¢ â !
(츢Ǣ ʸ¨ Ȣ, ɡ, šĢ¡, .. Ч Ţ šĢ š)
- From: vanchi (@ isdn2.pppmad.vsnl.net.in)
on: Mon Nov 15 00:17:14
Chandra: Your suggestion of appending a maaccIr
(as the fourth cIr) of each adi of vanji makes 'sound' sense. Whether it can be called vanji any more is a different issue!
With apologies to Valluvar.
ɢ Ţ¡ ﺢ
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- From: Hari Krishnan (@ 203.197.135.216)
on: Mon Nov 15 05:02:34
ϴ ב Ƒ ϙ. ƛ. ഗ Ƒ㿺 ׯ Ӵ限 Ϲ. Ƒ Ϲ ഗ Ƒ ϙ. ̫ ѿ. ̱ "ב ̹ ב ב ב" ޗҦ ϴ . ( ׯ ݑ Ͽ э "ב " ʹ ׯ Ǫϙэ. . ѹ ﴰ ϴ .) But the interesting point is ܗב ഗ Ѵ, ܗב () ള ״ Ͽ ґ. ഗ Ƒ װ ӿ ׀ љ ï.
ഗ Ƒ ϴ ϙ. (ϙ ב ׳ ϴ. ര ב ׳ .) ̱ ഗ ր 俺. ̱ / ϴ 찑 괱ϙ. , ഗ Ƒ , ϙ .
ϴ Žב ע - repeat - 鹳ت 㴱 ׯ. 㴀 ׀ , בت љ ׯ. (ź ) ח, ӿ Ѵت בѴ ̿ ѿ. It can be anything - for instance æ Ƒ. ב Ƒї .... Ƒ ґ Îґ.... 㿺 ґ . أэ (Ƒ Ƒ, ґ ) בت , أэ晐 ͳ .
- From: Hari Krishnan (@ 202.144.10.201)
on: Mon Nov 15 09:40:45
̰ ϴ ѹ ױ ⢝.
Ƒ ڍ
±ґ ב
Ҵ ̜
ڶ
엺
ع
̑ ƛ
Ƒ
ŗ ƹ
ב.
Ƒ ش ב
Ꙑ 鰑!
ב ב
בޗ ב!
֗ ב
ב آ!
ڍ
ׯ !
ڍ ڍ
㴱 !
Ƒ ̑
鑐 !
ϗ ;
ڍ !
к ͗ ر
!
ב
ב ב
בޗ ב!
- From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu)
on: Mon Nov 15 10:17:24
anbarkaLE,
AdungkaL pAdungkaL azakAnac centhamizil
--- aziyAtha pAkkal pAdith
thEdungkaL thArungkaL tharamAna Osaimiku
--- thadukkAtha thALang kUtti
nAdungkol naRavOmaR RamudhOnal laviyOpon
--- nilaiyOven RuLamum vENdi
Odumpin vArungkAn orukaNamum niRkAdhu
--- valaiyAdum vIdu vAzi!
:-)
btw, how is the above one categorized?
hari, you are a very valuable addition to the valaith thamizk kUttam. pruvaNakkangkaL.
- From: vEnkatan (@ 207.18.199.140)
on: Mon Nov 15 10:27:13
glad to see the traffic in this thread.
btw, 'pachchaikkiLi muththuchcharam' is written by vaali.
Hari, your sandha viruththam is excellent. In aRu-cIr-sandham, is there any restriction/difference in having the mOnai in 1st & 4th cIr's as against having the mOnai in 1st and 5th cIr (as in your paa) ??
aruL: I guess it is, eN cIr kazhi nedil adi aaciriya viruththam...
- From: ananth (@ pc-ananthanarayanan-v1.chemistry.mcmaster.ca)
on: Mon Nov 15 11:58:12
Hari: Great pannirucIr kazinediladi A.viruththams! The choice of words and the bubbling spirit come out so well in the pAs like they do in bhArathi's pAs. I am glad that, thanks to you, people are re-visiting this page now (I had tried earlier and failed!) and are learning a lot about pAs other than v.pA. I am also happy to read that my own habit of saying the 'mettu' (thanath thAna thanaththanana etc..)whenever I read/compose a viruththam is shared by you. I would appreciate your going back to the older postings in this thread and commenting on my kkts(kattaLai..) and a recent viruththam.
I have one small problem with your second viruththam. Reproducing the ethukai lines only:
- *-* '
.......
ڍ ڍ
....
-' ; '
.....
' '
the starred cIr has a kUviLAnkAy (assuming aikArak kuRukkam)and this seems to stop the flow/chandham compared to the other lines. Just leaving it as pachchainI may be enough, I think.
- From: ananth (@ pc-ananthanarayanan-v1.chemistry.mcmaster.ca) on: Mon Nov 15 13:16:08
Here is the InaimathiTSC font version of the above adis, plus a couple of more adis that contain viLam, the kuril-nedil iNai middle cIr about which we discussed at length in the yAppu thread. The double starred one below is a karuviLangkAy (again assuming it is not a 4-acaic cIR due to aikArak kuRukkam) and the #..# one is a kUviLAngkAy. Good show Hari, giving us these acais in your own pAs!!:)
Ǣ¢ ** šŢ
.......
Ǣ Ǣ
........
Ţɸ զؾ ɿ; ɡ
....
Ţ Ȣ
šŢɢ **Ǣ§Ȣ**
š š Ƣ
šƢ #šƢ#!
- From: Hari Krishnan (@ 202.144.10.197) on: Mon Nov 15 20:07:44
Ananth, I have never told that viLankAy is not acceptable in virutham. I have even mentioned this in a separate posting. Repeat: VilankAy is not acceptable in veNba alone. Not in other pAs. If your search was for words that are viLankAy, I can supply you a ton.
- From: Hari Krishnan (@ 202.144.42.87) on: Mon Nov 15 21:15:32
: ׳ . ׳ְ ͎. , ӿ ϛ. ֗ ב . ֗ -- ב . ϙ ͎? ׯ. such liberties can be taken in viruttham. ґŰ. ( Ͽ ґ ب. Ͽ æƑ - ź ź ѿ .) ̙ 왍. . ƛ ґ ƿ . ѿ ґ! 晐 ϙ ⢝. (Be forewarned! I may post another!) Ӵ Ͽ . old response ր. Slow updates. Will you be kind enough to give me a copy?
: Ͽ ϴ.
כ ր. ґ.
- From: ananth (@ empd-port34.net.mcmaster.ca) on: Mon Nov 15 21:25:43
Hari: You are right, you had emphasized your stand before also. Sorry. My citations were/should have been actually addressed to Pas who was lamenting about the orphan state of kiims (i.e. if they don't occur in veNpAs where else do they occur at all?); Venkat also commented in the same vein and Chandra alluded to vanchippaas as their possible depository. At the risk of hogging the space I quote a few of their comments:
>Pas:... As I asked Chandra, are there other pA-s where such kiim cIrs are acceptable... I feel as if I am fighting for these orphans whom no one seems to want!:-))
>Chandra: Pasupathy, vanjcippAs are, as a friend of mine would say when being fed too much as a guest, "municipal kuppaith thotti", accepts pretty much any 3/4-acaic cIr. :-))
>From: Pas (@ pas.dialup.cs.toronto.edu) on: Thu Nov 11 17:21:08 Chandra, :-)) There should be a nice VanjippA with "viLAngkaay maNdai" in it!:-))
>From: venkat (@ vectra2.riken.go.jp) on: Thu Nov 11 19:30:09 pas said,:-If such words are found in plenty in some other forms, then I am more likely to accept the idea .. he later added desperately:- I feel as if I am fighting for these orphans whom no one seems to want!:-)) Thanks for sharing my feeling. But, as you said, orphans they are, very few (thanks to the well bound language, tamil is), so no one talks on their behalf. My long round of search in various pAs is leading me to believe that these words themselves are little and when they happen their second nedil can be elided as a kuril.
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I mistook your own silence on Pas's query to support the rarity of kiims. I am sorry if I have been missing something all along!
- From: ananth (@ empd-port39.net.mcmaster.ca) on: Mon Nov 15 21:40:49
Hari: If you click Old Response at the top of this thread, you will see kkt and a viruththam. I'll email these and the rest to you.
ananth
- From: ananth (@ pc-ananthanarayanan-v1.chemistry.mcmaster.ca) on: Mon Nov 15 13:16:08
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