Topic started by Karuvayan (@ pcl-b117.lib.utexas.edu) on Fri Feb 21 18:42:10 .
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For the great Tamil Saint Thiruvalluvar, Sanskrit and Tamil were equal. Unfortunately, the DMK, EVR and political donkeys have been spreading a hate campaing with christians to convert all hindus to christianity.
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- From: indian (@ h132-182.housing.ucalgary.ca)
on: Fri Feb 21 21:34:22
Sanskrit and tamil are both equal in greatness. i agree. i am a tamilian(i speak tamil) and i have a sanskrit name.... and i'm proud of that... but u know what? i am also a christian. why the hell do u have to put down christians while talking about languages...sir? churches were burnt in india... and many christians were tormented... but do i hate india for that? no, i don't. u know why? because, we cannot let a minority few to disrupt the unity of the rest of india.... do u think i support christian countries in the cricket world cup, hoping that they would win? no, i support india.. because i am an indian.. and so u think my muslim friends support pakistan? no, we sit down together with our hindu friends.... and watch india play and support it... because.. we are united as INDIANS.... thanks to a few people like u that the world has a bad impression of india.
- From: Karuvayan (@ linux124.ma.utexas.edu)
on: Fri Feb 21 21:55:05
REv Indian, no no temples were not burnt and missionaries made every indian civilized and made them leave hinduism.
What really happend was the portuguese who burnt hindu temples, burnt hindus and committed a hell a lot of other atrocities.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/oct/25franc.htm
http://www.atributetohinduism.com/European_Imperialism.htm
- From: indian (@ h132-182.housing.ucalgary.ca)
on: Fri Feb 21 22:08:54
u wanna talk about history? i wanna talk about the present ... you are in the university of texas... did america ban u from entering their country because u were a hindu? or who in america is forcing u to become a christian? but sir, if at any time u openly condemn christianity in america... there goes ur hope of residing in america....... and i'm sure u don't want that
- From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417546-174.austin.rr.com)
on: Fri Feb 21 23:14:15
Indian, America is not a christian country. At the heart of american democracry is paganistic pluralism not christianity.
Statistically, the population of christians in America has been decreasing by 10% per decade. At this rate, in 2075, there will be little or no christianity in North America.
Christianity is fading away from Europe.
http://www.religioustolerance.org
- From: william (@ 210.23.208.109)
on: Tue Mar 11 23:18:49
who is this karuvayan, looks like an uncultured arian. can't even stay in one topic in discussion. learn some kind of decency if you start a dialogue. anonimity does not give freedom to write any filth.
- From: Rationalist (@ 24.94.152.90)
on: Thu Mar 13 18:10:23
Willliam, correct
Karuvayan is a sly sleazy aryan hiding in a native name. He is trying the vintage brahmanic tricks to hoodwink the crowd.
He foresees Christianity to become in America. If that rate of attrition is true then it is no sooner than the brahmanic hinduism becoming driven out of India...So may be is he presuming/proclaiming that Islam would be the dominating religion all over. I dont know... he could be a fanatic also...
He slanders, EVR, DMK etc...because they are the ones who by whom the guile of the conmen like jayendran...(the so called sankarachari) was exposed and the brahmin hegemons were kicked out to take a back seat...from which they will never recover...
AdipaTa nai...kolachiTu pOgaTum vidunga.
- From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417546-174.austin.rr.com)
on: Thu Mar 13 19:48:47
Well, Well, the so called Atheist 'Rationalist' chooses to side with Christians. Not really much substance in your 'rationalism' eh?
FYI, I am not even a Brahmin. I am an Indian of Eelam Tamizh origin. Here is one piece of Advice, we Tamizh care heck about EVR and the DMK. Our true friends are the RSS and the Sangh Parivar.
http://www.geocities.com/neovedanta/acxxvi.html
- From: Rationalist (@ 24.94.152.90)
on: Fri Mar 14 23:13:49
I dont care a hoot if you are Eelam Tamil or a hiding brahmin...
What substance would you want from me haan...Definitely more than the phoney knowledge that you have..
There are only two probability....If you are a Eelam Tamil with your current taste, then you are an aberration that needs to be annihilated..
If you are hiding brahmin as I predict, you definitely need all the wrath of the entire non brahmins...
In both the case, you surviving or your supposedly substantive but superficial knowledge to con people, is not possible... ;-)
- From: Regumrex (@ adsl-67-64-204-42.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net)
on: Sat Mar 15 04:47:31
The weblinks provided by Karuvayan are excellent and contain a lot of info.
Thanks
- From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417546-174.austin.rr.com)
on: Mon Mar 17 16:41:02
Irrationalist, you and your DMK days are dead. You pal karunanidhi is dying and EVR is already dead - good for him - let him rot in hell.
The Hindu Munnani is ruling now. Jaya has crushed all of you.
- From: Krishnamurthy Suresh Iyer (@ 210.210.104.74)
on: Mon Mar 24 12:52:53
Very intersting. Karuvayan seem to know the Kullal in full. I really doubt whether vallavan ever wrote a Kural about Aryans, Hindus or the Vedas. The problem is that what he is writing in English is not Kural composed by Vallavan
Kural, like the Ten Commendments (also divided into 10 parts) is far more ancient than the spread of Hinduism (correctly it is in fact Brahmanism) south of Vindhs- satpura hills ( the penninsular India).
The trouble is Indian histroy in its present form originated with Mr. P Spear, the British East India company's employee (and in no way an authority qualified to be accepted as a historian) and a whole lot of English (read slave) minded Indians both from the North, including the Naliwalah ( Gutter man), Nehru, the Late P.M. of India. (In fact the Nehru family is actually Kashmiri Brahmins and settled near a gutter in Delhi, similar to Kuuvam in Chennai, and hence the name Nehru - derived from 'Nehar' meaning drainage- Moti Lal Nehru, came in service of his 'great British' Masters). Down south Srinivasa Satri and Rajaji also followed the British masters and their mind was also always conditioned to the English ways of thinking.
Now the English, by their mindset, started looking for a ruling aristocracy, through whom they can gain control over India. while among the Muslims, the title holders, hodaydars ( like Nawabs, Mirs etc.) met their mind set of educated and learned ruling class, among the Hindus, the Brahmins necessarily were the only class that had the learning skills and the pro-English mind set and therefore their immediate need based target.
In the present day context it is very stupid to talk of Brahmins and Hindus. By definition a 'Brahmin' is a person who has the knowledge of the whole (Brahman)- or complete knowledge. As on date these people have only complete ingnorance and very little knowledge in any field.
Through out history,from Chandra Gupt Maurya onwards the North Indian ( Indo-gangatic plains) states exploited the southen states, the North-eastern states ( the seven sisters, north-west fronier, far eastern states(now Bangla Desh) etc.
It is only with the Entry of the English (also French, Dutch, Protugese etc.), that the Southern states and Bengal was given a new life to survive.
But by this time, the Aryans, had completely stroyed the original culture and faith of the Tamils ( I think the US Admn has a very important lesson to learn- cultural enslavement is absolutely irreversable and also free from deaths and sufferings unlike military action. It is easier and far more permanent victory to drop Mac D burgers and play boy back issues in Iraq and Afghanistan than all those venomous words of Bush and mad missle attacks ).
The Tamil scripture is Thru Kurral ( meaning the Holy Voice) This has been totally marginalised and ignored , because the Germans ( most notable being Max Muller)found the Vedic scriptures first. It is like the storey of 'the elephant and the six blind men'. They first came across the Vedas and accepted it as the Indian religion and never bothered to look further; vey much like the hoardes of Muslims who invaded India and found that no one ever used any book for prayer and therefore Kaafirs.
Well, Indian Rationalist and William and whole lot of others. Why do you people tend to be personal on any and all general issues? Have perception and understanding.
1. Talking of US ! You must be kidding. It is a fanatic country and you have not seen it. Of course, no one prevents any one from joinging any university and work frop them - the Anglos. But can anyone become the President? You don't even have a right to vote. Have a look at American history.
Can you name one black President?
Try naming a woman President
Try naming a Spanish President
Do you remember a Catholic Pres? If you don't then don't bother. You had one and he was assainated ( JFK). Don't you ever think of proposing another one for he will also end up like Robert Kennedy ( dead -cold blooded murder - and no FBI and no Secret service and no one else will explain how can anyone stand in front of you and then shot you behind your ear). If you want to run for President you must be a Protestant, Anglo and Perbitarian or epsicopalian depending on whether you are a Democrat or Republican. Most important you must be a MALE.
2. Nothing to go ga ga over RSS and Sangh Parivar either. Do you relaize that the the most backward dishonest and lazy people are from the Hindi belt?
Bihar, UP, MP, Rajasthan, Haryana and HP are the states with highest crime rates, lowest percaptia income, lowest levels of social justice, highest ill-treatment of women. You name any negative aspect of the society and these Hindi belt ( heart land of RSS) tops the list and any good thing that happens is almost always in the Part B states ( non- Hindi speaking states). That is India and Hindus.
3. As for US, in the first place, the worlds most foul crime of biological warfare was the distribution of small pox infested blankets to native Indians to steel their land and wealth. How Christian!!
4. Talk of Europe. How much are you aware about the crimes committed by the Chruch against innocent and helpless people, 'Inqusitions' they were called. What a catholic virtue to use all kinds of third degree methods that put the Nazis to shame!!
Way back in the 60s Beatles claimed that they were more popular than Christ. The fact is that their claim was true. There were more people attending their programme that the people attending Chruch. The scene has not imporve over the past 40 years.
5. Karunanidhi sure will die. Do you think your amma will not? She is one of the Mudevis of India. The other two are of course the widow Gandhi and the lugaye(wife) Rabri Devi.
The truth is conflicts must exist. It is an essential condition and universal truth.
One last word. Why should anyone hide his or her own identity and then express views. Dil Khoke Bholo. Every thing about every one is dead wrong. But trhis is the best we could achieve thus far. Anyways we still are imporving.
- From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417546-174.austin.rr.com)
on: Tue Mar 25 08:59:48
Krishnamurthy, you should take a look at this website, it has many other superb articles as well:
http://www.geocities.com/neovedanta/acxxvi.html
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