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This is an effort to learn kamba ramayanam in an interactive manner, posting and discussing verses each day. Kamba Ramayanam is an epic in Tamil by Kambar, with more than 10,500 verses. The intricacies, poetic nuances, similes, metaphors, characterizations, descriptions and reading a vast epic in poem format makes this a unique work. The initiative is run through volunteers only. If you want to type up verses and take part in discussions, please go ahead, in this thread. Please contact Balaji Srinivasan (bb) for further details. The master page for this project is here: http://www.dhool.com/balaji/kambar/ |
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- From: bb (@ c-24-6-216-148.client.comcast.net)
on: Wed Mar 24 05:33:59 EST 2004
I will post 31-33 now.
- From: bb (@ c-24-6-216-148.client.comcast.net)
on: Wed Mar 24 05:54:26 EST 2004
31. À¡ó¾û §¾÷ þ¨Å ÀÆ¢À¼ô ÀÃó¾ §À÷ «øÌø
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Üó¾ø ¦ÁýÁ¢ø ÌÚ¸¢É ¦¿Îﺢ¨Èì §¸¡Ä¢ì
¸¡óÐ Ìñ¼ò¾¢ø «¼í̱â ±ØôÒÅ ¸¡½¡ö!
À¡õÀ¢ý À¼Óõ §¾÷ò¾ðÎõ ¯Å¨Á ¬¸ ÓÊ¡Áø ÀÆ¢ôÀ¢üÌ ¬Ç¡ì¸¢Â «ÆÌÁ¢ì¸ «ø̨ÄÔ¨¼ÂŧÇ! ÓôÒâ á¨Ä «½¢ó¾ «ó¾½÷¸û, µÁõ ¦º¸¢ýÈ ¾£ìÌñ¼ò¾¢Ä¢ÕóÐ ±Ø¸¢ýÈ ¦¿ÕôÀ¢¨É, §¾¡¨¸¨ÂÔ¨¼Â Á¢ø ÀȨŸû ¾í¸Ç¢ý ¦¿Ê º¢È̸¨Ç ŢâòÐ, «¨ºòÐ, «ó¦¿ÕôÀ¢¨É §ÁÖõ ¦¸¡ØóРŢðÎ ±Ã¢Âî ¦ºö¸¢ýÈ ¾ý¨Á¨Âì ¸¡½¡ö.
À¡ó¾û - À¡õÒ.
Üó¾ø - §¾¡¨¸.
32. «ÄõÒ Å¡÷ÌÆ Ä¡ö! Á¢ø ¦Àñ½Õí ¸Ä§Á!
¿Äõ¦Àö §Å¾¢Â÷ Á¡÷À¢ÛìÌ þ¨Â×È ¿¡Êî
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ÀÄõ¦Àö Á󾢸 Ù¼ýÅóÐ ¦¸¡ÎôÀÉ À¡Ã¡ö!
«¨º¸¢ýÈ ¦¿Ê Üó¾¨ÄÔ¨¼ÂŧÇ! Á¢ø §À¡ýÈ º¡Â¨ÄÔ¨¼ÂŧÇ! ¦Àñ¸Ç¢ø º¢Èó¾ «½¢¸ÄÁ¡¸ Å¢ÇíÌÀŧÇ! À¢È÷ìÌ ¿ý¨Á¨Âî ¦ºö¸¢ýÈ «ó¾½÷¸û ¾í¸û Á¡÷À¢É¢ø «½¢Å¾üÌ ²üÀ ÀðÎôâ, ÀÕò¾¢ô ÀïÍ þÅüÈ¢¨É ¬Ã¡öóÐ º¢ì¸ø þøÄ¡¾ÀÊ ÓôÒâ áø¸¨Ç ¯ñ¼¡ì¸¢, §¾Á¡ÁÃò¾¢É¢ýÚ ¸É¢¸¨Ç ¯ÌìÌõ ¾ý¨ÁÂÉÅ¡Â Á󾢸û ´Õ§ºÃì ¦¸¡ñÎ ÅóÐ ¦¸¡ÎôÀÉÅü¨Èì ¸¡ñÀ¡Â¡¸.
«ÄõÒ¾ø - «¨º¾ø.
33. ¦¾Ã¢¨Å Á¡÷ìÌ´Õ ¸ð¼¨Ç ±Éö¾ ¾¢Õ§Å
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«Ã¢Â Á¡ì¸É¢ ¸ÎÅý¸û «ýÒ¦¸¡ñÎ «Ç¢ôÀì
¸Ã¢Â Á¡¸¢ÆíÌ «¸úó¾É ¦¸¡½÷ÅÉ ¸¡½¡ö.
¦Àñ¸¨Çô À¨¼ò¾üÌ ´Õ ÓýÁ¡¾¢Ã¢Â¡¸ô À¨¼ì¸ôÀðÎûÇ þÄìÌÁ¢ §À¡ýÈŧÇ! ¦Àâ Á¡í¸É¢¸û, ÀÄ¡, Å¡¨Æ ¬¸¢ÂÅü¨È ¬ñÌÃí̸û ÓÉ¢Å÷¸Ç¢¼òÐ «ý§À¡Îõ Àì¾¢§Â¡Îõ ¦¸¡ÎôÀ¨¾Ôõ, ÀýÈ¢¸û ¾¡õ §¾¡ñÊ ÅûÇ¢, ¸Å¨Ä §À¡ýÈ ¸¢ÆíÌ Å¨¸¸¨ÇÔõ ¦¸¡ÎôÀ¨¾Ôõ ¸¡ñÀ¡Â¡¸.
¸Ã¢ÂÁ¡ - ÀýÈ¢.
«¸ú¾ø - §¾¡ñξø.
- From: bb (@ c-24-6-216-148.client.comcast.net)
on: Wed Mar 24 05:55:23 EST 2004
31-¬õ À¡¼Ä¢ø À¡õÀ¢ý À¼õ ºÃ¢, §¾÷ò¾ðÎ ±ýÉ ¯Å¨Á «øÌÖìÌ?
- From: †Ã¢ ¸¢Õ‰½ý (@ 61.11.73.88)
on: Wed Mar 24 07:58:38 EST 2004
À¢À¢: §¸ð˧à ´Õ §¸ûÅ¢! «øÌø ±ýÈ ¦º¡øÖìÌ, ÌÈ¢ôÀ¢ð¼ «ó¾ ¯ÚôÒ ±ýÚ ´§Ã ¦À¡Õû ÁðÎÁ¢ø¨Ä. þ¨¼ - waist - ±ýÈ ¦À¡ÕÙõ ¯ñÎ. §¾Ã¢ý ¾ðÎ ÌÚ¸¢Ôõ, ºð¦¼ýÚ Å¢Ã¢óÐõ §¾¡ýÚž¡ø þÐ ¦À¡Õò¾Á¡É ¯Å¨Á¾¡ý. ÒüÈÃÅøÌø ¸¨¾Ôõ «ôÀÊò¾¡ý. ±ñ½¢ô À¡÷ìÌõ §À¡Ð ¿¡Áõ §À¡ð¼Ð Á¡¾¢Ã¢Â¡É «ó¾ô À¼ò¨¾ ÁðÎõ ±ñ½¢É¡ø §À¡ÐÁ¡? À¼¦ÁÎò¾¢ÕìÌõ «Ã¨Åô À¢ýÀì¸õ ¿¢ýÚ À¡÷ò¾¡ø, «ó¾ ÅÊ×õ †Å÷¸¢Ç¡º¢ø ´Õ À¡¾¢ ÅÊÅõ¾¡§É? §¾÷ò¾ðÎ ¯Å¨Á Á¢¸ Á¢¸ô À¨Æ ´ýÚ. º¢ÄõÀ¢ø «Êì¸Ê ÅÕõ. ¸Ä¢í¸òÐô Àý¢, ¿Ç¦ÅñÀ¡ §À¡ýÈ ÁüÈ þÄ츢Âí¸Ç¢Öõ ¦º¡øÄôÀÎõ ¯Å¨Á¾¡ý þÐ.
«ôÒÈõ, «ó¾ þý¦É¡Õ ¦À¡ÕÇ¢ø ±ýÈ¡ø, «ó¾¸ì ¸Å¢ Å£Ãá¸Å ӾĢ¡÷ ±ý¦È¡ÕÅ÷ þÕó¾¡÷. À¢ÈŢ¢§Ä§Â À¡÷¨ÅÂüÈÅ÷. Á¡ý ÌÇõÒ ±ýÚõ ºí¸¢ý «ÊôÀì¸õ ±ýÚõ ¯Å¨Á ¦º¡øĢ¢Õ츢ȡ÷. :))
- From: B.Balaji (@ ppp-219.65.97.52.chn.vsnl.net.in)
on: Wed Mar 24 09:50:52 EST 2004
33
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'«Æ¸¢Â Á¸Ç¢¨Ãô À¨¼ò¾üÌì ¸ð¼¨Ç¡¸ì ¯ý¨É ¦¸¡ûÙõÀÊ §ÀÃÆ̼ý À¨¼ì¸ôÀðÎûÇ, þÄìÌÁ¢ §À¡ýÈŧÇ!'
- From: bb (@ ouroboros.siebel.com)
on: Wed Mar 24 15:50:00 EST 2004
†Ã¢, þ¨¾ô Àò¾¢ þýÛõ Ţâš ±ØÐí¸§Çý :) «ó¾ ¸¡Äò¾¢ø þ¨¾ô Àò¾¢ ¦À⠬áö§Â Àñ½¢Â¢Õì¸¡í¸ §À¡Ä¢ÕìÌ. þó¾ ¸¡Äò¾¢ø º£¨¾Â¢ý «ø̨Äô Àò¾¢ô §Àº¢É¡, ±õ.±·ô.†¤§ºÛìÌ ¬ÉÐ ¾¡ý ¿¼ì̧Á¡ ±ýɧš.
Á¡ý ÌÇõÒ, ºí¸¢ý «ÊôÀì¸õ...†¤õ, §Â¡º¢ì¸ §ÅñÊ Ţ„Âõ¾¡ý :)
- From: B.Balaji (@ ppp-219.65.97.51.chn.vsnl.net.in)
on: Wed Mar 24 19:32:49 EST 2004
bb
//†Ã¢, þ¨¾ô Àò¾¢ þýÛõ Ţâš ±ØÐí¸§Çý :)//
Ţ⚸ ±Ø¾×õ ¬Ã¡Â×õ þýÛõ ÀÄ Å¢„Âí¸û ¯ûÇÉ. ±É¦Å þ¨¾ôÀüÈ¢ þò¾¢Ã¢Â¢ø ±Ø¾¢ Ţš¾¢ì¸ §Åñʾ¢ø¨Ä ±ýÀÐ ±ý ¸ÕòÐ. (I think we have already set a high standard for discussion )
- From: B.Balaji (@ ppp-219.65.97.51.chn.vsnl.net.in)
on: Wed Mar 24 19:52:41 EST 2004
34 ¸¢Ç¢¸Ç¢ý ¦ºÂøÀ¡Î
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¦À¡ö Ž츢 Á¡ ¾Å÷ Ҩà ¦¾¡Úõ ÒÌóÐ ¯ý
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Á¨Ä ¦¿ü¸¾¢÷, ¾¢¨Éô¢âý ¸¾¢÷ §º¡Ç츾¢÷ «Å¨Ã Óí¸¢ø «Ã¢º¢ «¸¢Â¾¡É¢Âí¸¨Ç, ¯ÉÐ ¨¸Â¢ý ¾ý¨Á¨ÂÔ¨¼Â ¦ºùÅ¡¨ÂÔ¨¼Â ¸¢Ç¢¸û , ¦À¡ö¨Â µðÊ ¦ÀÕõ ¾Åº¢Ââý ¬º¢ÃÁõ §¾¡Úõ ÒÌóÐ «Ç¢ì¸¢ýÈ ¸¡ðº¢Â¢¨Éì ¸¡ñÀ¡Â¡¸.
35 ÀʦÂÉì ¸¢¼ó¾ Á¨ÄôÀ¡õÒ¸û
þʦ¸¡û §ÅÆò¨¾ ±Â¢ü§È¡Îõ ±ÎòÐ ¯¼ý Å¢ØíÌõ
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º¨¼ ¦¸¡û ¦ºýÉ¢Â÷ ¾¡ú× þÄ÷ ¾¡õ Á¢¾¢òÐ ²È
Àʸǡõ ±Éò ¾¡úŨà ¸¢¼ôÀÉ À¡Ã¡ö
À¢Ç¢Õõ ¡¨É¨Âò ¾ó¾í¸§Ç¡Îõ Å¢ØíÌõ ¦¸¡Îó¾ý¨Á¨ÂÔ¨¼Â Á¨ÄôÀ¡ôÒ¸ÙìÌ, þõÓɢŨà ŢØíÌÅÐ ´Õ ¦Àâ ¦ºÂÄýȡ¢Ûõ, «¨Å ¸üÈÈ¢ó¾Å÷ §À¡ø «¼í¸¢, ÌüÈÁüÈ ¾Å ÓÉ¢Å÷¸û ¾¡õ Á¢¾¢òÐ ²È¢î ¦ºøÖõ Àʸû §À¡Ä Á¨ÄÂÊÅ¡Ãí¸Ç¢ø þÕôÀÅü¨Èô À¡Ã¡ö.
- From: †Ã¢ ¸¢Õ‰½ý (@ 61.1.201.56)
on: Wed Mar 24 22:45:55 EST 2004
À¡Ä¡ƒ¢: ¯í¸Ù¨¼Â ¸ÕòÐìÌ ¿ýÈ¢. «ó¾î ¦º¡ø ¾ÅÈ¡¸ô ÒâóЦ¸¡ûÇôÀðÎ, ¾ÅÈ¡¸ì ¸Õ¾ôÀðÎ, ¾ÅÈ¡¸ Å¢Çì¸ôÀðÎ ÅÕ¸¢ÈÐ. À¢À¢ ¦ÅÇ¢ôÀ¨¼Â¡¸ì §¸ð¸ò н¢ó¾ þó¾ì §¸ûÅ¢ ÀÄ÷ ÁÉò¾¢ø þÕì¸Ä¡õ. ¦º¡øÄô §À¡É¡ø'¸õÀúò¾¢ø' ´Õ §¼¡Š (¦¼¡Š ¦¿.3) þ¾ü¸¡¸§Å ±Ø¾ôÀðÊÕ츢ÈÐ. ÁÚÀÊÔõ, §¼¡Š ¦¿. 3ø ±ÎòÐì ¸¡ð¼ôÀðÎûÇ À¡¼Ä¢ø 'þ¨¼' ±ýÈ ¦À¡ÕÇ¢ø¾¡ý þó¾î ¦º¡ø ÀÂýÀÎò¾ôÀðÎûÇÐ. ¦º¡øÄôÀðÊÕìÌõ ¯Å¨Á¨Âî ºÃ¢Â¡¸ô ÒâóЦ¸¡ñ¼¡ø, 'þ¨¼' ±ýÚ¾¡ý ¦À¡Õû ¦¸¡ûÇÄ¡Ìõ.
'ÒüÈÃÅøÌø ÒÉÁ¢§Ä' ±ýÚ ¬ñ¼¡û ŢǢò¾¨¾ ±ý¦Éýɧš ¦À¡Õû ¦¸¡ñÎ §ÀÍÅÐ «È¢Â¡¨Á¢ý Å¢¨ÇÅøÄÅ¡? ¦Á¡ò¾õ ãýÚ ¦À¡Õû ¯ñÎ þî ¦º¡øÖìÌ. Àø¸¨Äì ¸Æ¸ô §Àøᾢ¢ĢÕóÐ ¾Õ¸¢§Èý:
1. Side - Àì¸õ. ¸¨Åò¾¡õÒ ¦¾¡Îò¾ ¸¡èý ÈøÌø (¦ÀÕõÀ¡½¡üÚôÀ¨¼ 244). 2. Waist - «¨Ã. âóи¢ø §º÷«øÌø ¸¡Á¦ÃÆ¢ø Å¢Æø ¯ÎòÐ (¾¢ùÅ¢Âô À¢ÃÀó¾õ ¦ÀÕÁ¡û.9, 7). 3. Pudendum muliebre - ¦ÀñÌÈ¢ (¾¢Õ째¡. 9)
þÐŨâø ¡Õõ ӾĢÃñÎ ¦À¡Õû¸¨Ç ÁÉò¾¢ø ¦¸¡ñÎ ¦À¡Õû ¦º¡ýɨ¾ì ¸ñ¼È¢§Âý. ¡Õõ ±ýÈÐ '¦ÀÕõÀ¡Ä¡§É¡÷' ±ýÈ ¦À¡ÕÇ¢ø. 'àÍ Ýú «øÌø', ¬Àýí¸û âñ¼ «øÌø ±ý¦ÈøÄ¡õ ¦º¡øÄôÀÎõ þ¼í¸Ç¢ø, þ¨¼ - not the hip, but the waist - ±ýÚ¾¡ý ¦À¡Õû ¦¸¡ûÇ §ÅñÎõ.
±É§Å, þó¾ þý¦É¡Õ ¦À¡ÕÙõ þÕ츢ÈÐ; þôÀÊÔõ º¢ó¾¢ì¸Ä¡õ ±ýÀ¨¾ò ¦¾Ç¢×ÀÎò¾§Å §Á§Ä ¿¡ý ¦º¡øĢ¢ÕìÌõ Å¢Çì¸õ ¾ÃôÀð¼Ð. ÌÈ¢ôÀ¢ð¼ «ó¾ô ¦À¡Õû ±ýÈ¡ø ±ýÉ ¯Å¨Á ¾ó¾¢ÕôÀ¡÷¸û ±ýÀ¾¨Éî Íð¼§Å «ó¾¸ì ¸Å¢ Å£Ãá¸Å ӾĢ¡âý ¯Å¨Á¨Â (À¡¼ø «Ê¸¨Çî ¦º¡øÄ¡Áø) ¦º¡ý§Éý.
¿õÓ¨¼Â Ţš¾í¸Ç¢ý ¾Ãò¨¾ì ÌÈ¢òÐ ±ÉìÌõ ¦ÀÕÁ¢¾õ ¯ñÎ. ±ý ±ø¨Ä¸û ±ÉìÌò ¦¾Ã¢Ôõ. :-)
- From: bb (@ c-24-6-216-148.client.comcast.net)
on: Thu Mar 25 00:12:18 EST 2004
I will post 36-38 now.
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