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- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Wed Aug 18 12:19:23 EDT 2004
//This is to be blamed on the Thamizh Scholars who chose to use 'Dravidan' for the unity of Thamizhans and Thamizh descends and ended up with plain TN under India, don't you think?//
In Skrt, they refer to Tamil as "Dravida Basha".
Southern Brahmins are known as Dravida Bramanas.
The word "Dravida" was also used by Tagore in his song "Jana Kana Mana".
It was chosen by Dr Caldwell and other linguists to refer to the Dr family of languages.
It was chosen by the DK, DMK and AIDMK as part of their party names.
Tamil scholars, I doubt, have the strength to resist these developments. Except for a few, the rest are in fear. If they write that Skrt is derived from Tamil, many of them might be chucked out of their jobs!! or in other ways, harassed.They might be denied their coconuts usually given them at the templeS .
- From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ cache-dtc-ae09.proxy.aol.com)
on: Thu Aug 19 00:57:19 EDT 2004
lol true, but I think Periyar started DK to united Thamizhans and Thamizh descends but he must have also known the root of it. Parties like DMK ..just in TN having a name like that is useless. I don't know when these parties are going to change the name from Dravidar to Thamizhar. Anyway Caldwell probably wanted to make a new name for all of the languages that formed from Thamizh but sadly I don't think it should have been done. For the fact that Dr. Caldwell proved that Thamizh is a different language and Thamizh is old and better than Sanskirit. Yet using such 'sanskirit' word to describe the Thamizh language and it's family is a pure disgrace. Maybe and hopefully TN realizes anyway.
- From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ cache-dtc-ae09.proxy.aol.com)
on: Thu Aug 19 01:01:27 EDT 2004
If Iran, Europe and the word Aryan came from the root word 'ari' which is Thamizh and which mean 'to know.' I just have a little confusion, why would such meaning apply to the people of these region? Did they call themselves like that? Or it was made to be called by someone else?....
Next thing is that u mentioned 'hindu' neri, you do know that Hindu doesn't apply to Thamizhar Sivaniya neri and Maliya neri and btw is 'Saivam' Thamizh or Sanskirit? Oh and would you please tell me the origin of Sivaniyam if u can? and along with Maliyam. I also like to know whether if u are a Thamizh professor and whether if you have written any book(s).
nanRi, NUNNARI(nuNnari) AP MASILMANI avargalae!
- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Thu Aug 19 06:25:28 EDT 2004
//Did they call themselves like that?//
They called themselves knowledgeable.
//Hindu doesn't apply to Thamizhar Sivaniya neri and Maliya neri //
My point was that "neRi" may be used to mean religion, but it can also mean other neRi which are not religious in nature; so you have to use it carefully so that it conveys the intended meaning.
- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Thu Aug 19 06:34:28 EDT 2004
//'Saivam' Thamizh or Sanskirit?//
Sivam is Tamizh; and Saivam is derived from the Tamizh word Sivam. But Saivam is derived according to Skrt word-building style. It is like a Tamizh man wearing Skrt clothes!! Suppose you say "Saivism"....or Sivanism!! Siva is Tamil and -ism English. But you may consider Saivam a Tamil word or a word common to both Skrt and Tamil.
- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Thu Aug 19 12:18:08 EDT 2004
//Oh and would you please tell me the origin of Sivaniyam if u can? and along with Maliyam. //
Thiru Neduncheziyan, you read: Thamizhar Matham and Pazhanth Thamizh KoLkaiye Saiva Samayam, by
Perasiriyar Maraimalai Adigal. In the meantime, I would try to get for you some other titles of books as well on Sivam and Thiru Maal.
You may e-mail me : apmasila@yahoo.com.
- From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ cache-mtc-ae09.proxy.aol.com)
on: Thu Aug 19 20:34:45 EDT 2004
nanRi, Thiru. AP MASILMANI avargalae. I'm going to lose my internet for a while heh. I'll keep in touch with u through e-mail when I get the net. Yes and I'll read those books if i can find them here in Canada. See you soon.
nanRi
paNnivu ____/\____
- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Thu Aug 19 22:04:15 EDT 2004
On the words "sekariththal" and "seviththal". These are Tamil words and were derived in the following ways:
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- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Thu Aug 19 22:06:16 EDT 2004
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