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- From: á.ÓÕ¸ý (@ dialpool-210-214-131-220.maa.sify.net)
on: Mon Mar 5 11:09:19
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- From: Ram (@ spider-mtc-tg034.proxy.aol.com)
on: Mon Mar 5 17:57:06
Most of his stories. Think this way. there are different norms & morals by different caste levels in India.what pudhumaipithan thinks is very advanced like even his famous agaligai story is not very advanced. using terms like "paRainaay" in a magazine like sudhesamitran did not bother him.read his nonfiction & you will see his casteism even more. if you are a lower caste or dalit you will understand. if you are uppercaste you may not even understand what i am saying.
i think si.su.sellappa said pudhumaipithan has written about 15 good stories. after reading his collection i agree. Don't you think even a new writer today has 15 good stories? so what is so great about pudhumaipithan today? i agree he was new for his times. kaalathai vellum sakthi avar ezhuthukku illai.
- From: P.N.Kumar (@ ip27-57.cbn.net.id)
on: Mon Mar 5 19:10:05
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- From: ravi sundaram (@ pa-bethelpark2a-530.pit.adelphia.net)
on: Mon Mar 5 22:20:59
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- From: thaanaa (@ ac9ab16c.ipt.aol.com)
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- From: Ram (@ spider-tf074.proxy.aol.com)
on: Tue Mar 6 07:06:13
Read pudhumaipithan's essays "annai itta thee". you will understand who "pudhumaipithan' is and who the "character" is in his fiction. A person who says the "lower" sections of his own caste are not acceptable. This is just a sample. About 15 good stories, NOT great stories. That's what he has produced in my opinion.Why is he called a great writer TODAY? You haven't answered that question
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- From: Ram (@ spider-mtc-tg072.proxy.aol.com)
on: Tue Mar 6 08:33:13
Addition to previous posting:
1. the word "paRainaay" was used by pudhumaippithan as an equivalent to "stray dog". not to paint a strong character.
2. there is no such thing as "uyarsaadhi" "keezhsaadhi". there is only "uyarthappatta saadhi" and "thaazthappatta saadhi". ravi sundaram, you say a "uyarthappatta saashi" person will get into trouble if he said what I said. Have you thought why? There is this thing called history, my friend. this point can stop here since it is very obvious and is not literature
I hope you all learn to think for yourselves, instead of repeating what some "critic" from the past or booksellers from the present say. politics and money are backing pudhumaipithan
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on: Tue Mar 6 10:55:00
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