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Is tamil derived from Sanskrit
Is tamil derived from Sanskrit
Topic started by vinay (@ adsl-67-39-3-180.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) on Wed Oct 22 22:07:56 .
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Hey,
I strongly believe that tamil language has its own roots and is independent from any other language in the world. But I now have a doubt. Is the word "kamam" in tamil is derived from Sanskrit or not. Because in sanskrit too we have "kama".
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- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Mon Aug 16 20:46:16 EDT 2004
contd: Do not get confused with these word formations:
ɢ:
() :> â
+ > â. ( = , = š).
է ھ ʨ .
aarya (Skrt) > aariyam.
aar + iyam > aariyam ( full band or orchestra.
- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Mon Aug 16 20:53:48 EDT 2004
aarya (Middle Eastern word) > aarya (Skrt.)
aRi > aRivu (T) > arif (Arabic) > aarya (MEastern) > arya (Skrt).
- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Tue Aug 17 10:53:42 EDT 2004
The Vedic language (the Old Indo-Aryan or IE Language) has been estimated by researchers to have in it only 30% of what the latter invented and refined Skrt of the Epic Age had. Even in Vedic language, there were Dravidian words and elements discovered by linguists.
By the time of Ramayana, Skrt swallowed another 70% of Prakrit and Dravidian words.
Skrt by then was presented as a divine language and (without basis ) claimed to be the first in the world!! By the 17th c AD, Dravidian scholars had been subdued. The practice of looking for Skrt false roots for Tamil words was in full swing till Caldwell declared the Dravidian tongues to belong to separate family.
Other than those few words which the Aryans carried into India, the rest do not belong to Skrt. This was why M Seenivasa Iyenggar in his treatise said that if a word is not Indo-European, it is probably Dravidian.
- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Tue Aug 17 10:55:14 EDT 2004
contd..Latest researches show that Dravidian words have also gone into Semitic and Indo-European. So do not be surprised with aRi >aRivu (T) > arif (Arabic).> arya (Skrt).
Only in Dravidian, the word ari is still used as a verb, to know without any distortion or change.
For mainly political reasons, many Sanskritists do not want the language Skrt to be classified as Indo-Aryan or Indo-European. They now want to present it as indigenous.. They are welcome. Since a clear 50% of its substrate is Dravidian, we are quite happy to see it classified as a local language, but such classification will certainly lead Skrt to be reckoned as derived from Dravidian/Tamil. Prof Sundaram Pillai in his Manonmaneeyam succinctly puts it: Before Aryans came, you (Tamil /Dravidian)
had the whole of the subcontinent to yourself! So, much of all those T/Dr words existing before they came, have been mutilated and appropriated by Skrt.
- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Tue Aug 17 10:55:25 EDT 2004
contd..Latest researches show that Dravidian words have also gone into Semitic and Indo-European. So do not be surprised with aRi >aRivu (T) > arif (Arabic).> arya (Skrt).
Only in Dravidian, the word ari is still used as a verb, to know without any distortion or change.
For mainly political reasons, many Sanskritists do not want the language Skrt to be classified as Indo-Aryan or Indo-European. They now want to present it as indigenous.. They are welcome. Since a clear 50% of its substrate is Dravidian, we are quite happy to see it classified as a local language, but such classification will certainly lead Skrt to be reckoned as derived from Dravidian/Tamil. Prof Sundaram Pillai in his Manonmaneeyam succinctly puts it: Before Aryans came, you (Tamil /Dravidian)
had the whole of the subcontinent to yourself! So, much of all those T/Dr words existing before they came, have been mutilated and appropriated by Skrt.
- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Tue Aug 17 11:03:10 EDT 2004
Zoroastrian scriptures give an outline of the history of Ancient Aryans. The Aryans worshipped Ahura Mazda (the name of God in Avestan). They came from another earlier homeland and settled in Iran. That earlier homeland was known as Airyane Vaejahi. It is easy to notice that Arya and Airyane are homophones.
The ancient name of Persia was Iran. This word is derived from the root Arya. The land was first called Iran, later became Persia and now named again as Iran.
Ir (Iran), Ar(Arab), are from the same root that is Arya. The Arya (Aryans) then moved from Iran, East to India. Arya later also moved West from Iran. These migrations were in several waves and lasted over a period of time.
Aryans settled as far away as Ireland in the West. Notice IRE-LAND , the ire derives from Arya.
I have already referred to the Arabic word Ari-f (Arya) above.
The root for the word is aRi (Tamil/Dravidian). ARi as a very is in everyday use in Malayalam.
- From: ditto (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Tue Aug 17 11:07:43 EDT 2004
//ARi as a very is in everyday use in Malayalam//
Pl read "as a very" as "as a verb".
- From: மு.முகிலன் (@ 219.95.62.136)
on: Tue Aug 17 13:52:48 EDT 2004
தமிழில் நான் எழுதுகிறேன்! இது யூனிகோட் எழுத்து.
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