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- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Wed Jun 23 12:25:21 EDT 2004
The Tamil insertions in my post above:
¿¢ø > ¿¢Ú >( ¿¢Ð )
´.§¿¡: ÌÚ >( ÌÐ ) [ ÌüÈõ > ¿¢Õ.
¿¢Õ - ¿¢Ã¾õ.
¿¢Õ - ¿¢Ãø.
¿¢Õ - ¿¢Õò¾õ.
"¦¿üÈ¢±ðÎì ¸ñ½§É¡§¼ ¿÷ò¾Éõ ¦ºö¾¡ö"
«ø (¾Á¢ú) > « (ºÁŠ) Óý¦É¡ðÎ ( )
"þÃÅÄ÷ ÒÃÅ¨Ä ¿£Ôõ «ø¨Ä;
ÒÃÅÄ÷ þÃÅÄ÷ìÌ þø¨ÄÔõ «øÄ÷" (ÒÈÉ¡ëÚ).
«Å¢ - «Åõ.
³ó¾Å¢ò¾¡ý üÈø «¸øÅ¢ÍõÒ Ç¡÷ §¸¡Á¡ý
þó¾¢Ã§É º¡Öõ ¸Ã¢. (ÌÈû )
¿¡¼¸§Á ¦ºö¾ü ¸¢¨ºó¾¡ö «¾ü¸¢¨ºÂ
ÎÅõÅ¡ ¿¡½õ «Åõ. (Á§É¡ýÁ½£Âõ).
- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Wed Jun 23 12:28:25 EDT 2004
The Tamil insertions in my post above:
¿¢ø > ¿¢Ú >( ¿¢Ð )
´.§¿¡: ÌÚ >( ÌÐ ) [ ÌüÈõ > ¿¢Õ.
¿¢Õ - ¿¢Ã¾õ.
¿¢Õ - ¿¢Ãø.
¿¢Õ - ¿¢Õò¾õ.
"¦¿üÈ¢±ðÎì ¸ñ½§É¡§¼ ¿÷ò¾Éõ ¦ºö¾¡ö"
«ø (¾Á¢ú) > « (ºÁŠ) Óý¦É¡ðÎ ( )
"þÃÅÄ÷ ÒÃÅ¨Ä ¿£Ôõ «ø¨Ä;
ÒÃÅÄ÷ þÃÅÄ÷ìÌ þø¨ÄÔõ «øÄ÷" (ÒÈÉ¡ëÚ).
«Å¢ - «Åõ.
³ó¾Å¢ò¾¡ý üÈø «¸øÅ¢ÍõÒ Ç¡÷ §¸¡Á¡ý
þó¾¢Ã§É º¡Öõ ¸Ã¢. (ÌÈû )
¿¡¼¸§Á ¦ºö¾ü ¸¢¨ºó¾¡ö «¾ü¸¢¨ºÂ
ÎÅõÅ¡ ¿¡½õ «Åõ. (Á§É¡ýÁ½£Âõ).
- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Wed Jun 23 12:33:43 EDT 2004
´.§¿¡: ÌÚ >( ÌÐ ) [ ÌüÈõ > < Ìò¾õ (colloquial]
¿¢Ð - ¿¢ò¾õ; ¿¢Ð - ¿¢ò¾ø; ¿¢Ð - ¿¢¾õ.
These lines seem lost in transmission.
- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Wed Jun 23 22:06:15 EDT 2004
The age of words used in KuRaL: It has been said above "avam" is Tamil. The root: avi. One has to bear in mind that KuRaL was written c30 BCE. This age was decided by Dr U V Saminatha Iyer (in the chair) at a forum on 11.3.1929 after hearing Maraimalai Adigal, Somasundara Bharathiar, S. Vaiyapuripillai, Prof. M Raghava Iyengaar, TC Seenivasa Iyengaar, Thiru Vi Ka and other distinguished scholars at a forum at Pachayappa College Hall in Chennai. There is no fresh evidence to disturb it. In fact, there are more reasons to accept it now. Suspected Skrt words in KuraL as a reason and the arguments based on the asssertion have now collapsed, in the face of new researches that Skrt is a derived language with a large Dravidian vocabulary and Dravidian languages may be the source for even the IE languages.
- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Thu Jun 24 08:56:23 EDT 2004
Lets us look at the word “aathi”. The root word is “aa” (verb). The word means : beginning.
aa > aakku (make).
aa > aathal ( occurrence on its own, becoming ).
e.g., Kazhuthai theinthu katterumbu aathal kuudumo ?
aakkuthal ( making it happen ).
aakkuviththal (making some one else do something ). [ piravinai]
The beginning of anything is when something materialises by itself or is made. Therefore, aa + thi (suffix) = aathi came to mean beginning.
As to “thi” suffix, look at other words such as “maRathi”, “thokuthi”, “aRuthi” etc.,
Aathi has been wrongly believed to be Skrt.
Hence, “aathi” is Tamil and not Skrt.
The bulk of Skrt vocab is Dravidian from which Skrt derived.
- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Thu Jun 24 12:53:19 EDT 2004
In my above postings, please read: "some one" as someone . Spelling of "puRanaanuuRu" should be ÒÈ¿¡ëÚ. Thanks.
- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Sat Jun 26 13:33:24 EDT 2004
Someone wrote above:
//i haven't even had heard anybody comparing your Tamil with these
languages.braging about your language will not make your language
great.need the geatest of the proofs to decide up on.............//
Well, we have our own words.Tamil is capable to forming new words from different roots of our own but ultimately sounding like a foreign-derived word: Tamil has that capability.
"poththaan" is not derived from 'button'. It is derived from the root- word "po" which means to make a hole.
po (verb).
po + thal (suffix) = poththal (hole).
po + thu (suffix) - poththu. (noun) (hole )
poththu > ponthu ( a cavity or hole).
poththu > poththaan (that which penetrates a hole. i.e., a button ¦À¡òÐ - ¦À¡ò¾¡ý
poththu > poththilam.
Poththaan and button sound close. But they are unrelated words deriving from different roots and existing in different languages.
Look at this closeness:
Parliament - a legislature. (Fr /Eng ).
PaaraaLumantram, PaaraaLumantru. - a legislature.
PaaraaLumantram is made up of Paar (country) + aaLu(m) (ruling) + mantram (house or hall ).
Similar sounding but of different birth.
Above, in one of my postings, I clarified that "thanggi" is not derived from English tank though they sound similar.
pakavan - (aathipakavan).
paku > paku + vu = pakavu > pakavu +an = pakavan.
pakuththaLippavan, padiyaLappavan, kadavuL.
Aaathipakavan - Aakka kalan thottu pakuthtaLiththu padiaLappavan.
One who distributes to mankind his grace from the time of creation.
Aathi and pakavan were then borrowed by Skrt.
Pakavan (derivation) was explained by Linguist DevaneyappavaaNar and used by Pulavar Kuzhanthai in his KuraL commentary.
ÀÌ - À¸× ( × - Ţ̾¢). ÀÌ - À¸× - À¸Åý.
À¸Åý > Bhagavaan (borrowed by Skrt).
- From: ó (@ 203.94.222.182)
on: Sun Jun 27 22:20:19 EDT 2004
ÀÌ - À¸× ( × - Ţ̾¢). ÀÌ - À¸× - À¸Åý.
You are right here.
I was thinking on the same lines .
A word À¸¢÷óÐ ¦¸¡ûÇø is there in Tamil.
À¸¢÷óÐ ¦¸¡ûÙÀÅý=À¸Åý.
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