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Topic started by ¦À.ºó¾¢Ã§º¸Ãý/ Chandra (@ hide-110.state.me.us) on Wed Nov 22 19:24:49 .
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• From: ¦À.ºó¾¢Ã§º¸Ãý (@ rr-165-122-126.atl.mediaone.net) on: Sun Nov 26 21:40:47 EST 2000
  
  
  Á½¢:
  À½ò¾¡Öõ §¿¡Â¢É¡Öõ ­í§¸ ±Ø¾ÓÊÂÅ¢ø¨Ä.
  «ìÌÅ¢ý «ÄºÖìÌ Á£Ù¸¢§Èý.
  ­ÐŨâÖõ ¯ûÇ º¡ýÚ¸û "«ì̧ÅÚ ¬½¢ §ÅÚ" ±ýÀ¾¢ø «ìÌ ±ýÈ¡ø «îÍ ±ýÀ¨¾§Â Íðθ¢ýÈÉ.
  
  «ì¸ì¸¡¸ ¯¼õÒ ÅĢ츢ÈÐ ±ýÀ¾¢ø ±ÖõÒ ±ýÛõ ¦À¡Õû ÀΞ¢ø ³Âõ º¢È¢ÐÁ¢ø¨Ä; «ìÌ ±ýÈ¡ø ±ÖõÒ ±ýÚõ ¦À¡ÕÙñÎ ±ýÕ ¦¸¡§Ä¡ý «¸Ã¡¾¢ ¦º¡ø¸¢ÈÐ; §ÁÖõ «ìÌ ±ýÈ¡ø ¦Åñ¨Á ¦ÂýÚõ ¦À¡Õû Àθ¢ÈÐ.
  [­í§¸ ´Õ Ò¾¢÷: ¬Á¡õ ±ÖõÒ ±ýÚ ²ý ¦ÀÂ÷ Åó¾Ð? :-); Å¢¨¼ ¸ÊÉÁ¢ø¨Ä...ÝâÂÛìÌì ¸¢§Ãì¸ò¾¢ø ±ýÉ ¦º¡ø?]
  
  «ìÌò ¦¾¡ìÌ: «ìÌ = ¯Ã¢¨Á ¦ÂýÚ «¸Ã¡¾¢ ¦º¡øÖõ:
  akku otl akku akku 05* claim, right;
  «ìÌ ±ýÀÐ «í§¸ †ì ±ýÛõ ¯ÕÐî ¦º¡øÄ¢ý Áå¯ ±ýÚ «¸Ã¡¾¢ ¦º¡ø¸¢ÈÐ! ¬É¡ø
  ¦¾¡ìÌ ±ýÈ¡ø 6. stake, material concern ¦À¡Õû/¦º¡òÐò ¦¾¡¼÷À¡É ¯È× ±ýÚ ¦À¡Õû:
  tokku
  
  otl tokku tokku 03 1. the sense of touch, one of five intiriyam , q.v.; 2. skin, cuticle, surface of the body; 3. bark of a tree; 4. rind; 5.
  cloth, raiment,; 6. stake, material concern
  
  ±É§Å «Åý «ìÌò ¦¾¡ìÌ ­øÄ¡¾Åý = «Åý ¾É즸ýÚ ´Õ ¦º¡ò§¾¡ À¢È ¦º¡ò¾¢ø (¯Â¢øÅÆ¢ «øÄÐ ÀíÌӨȢø) ¯Ã¢¨Á§Â¡ ­øÄ¡¾Åý ±ýÚ ¦À¡Õû.
  
  ¦¾¡ðÎ: ¦¾¡Î = ¦¾¡¼í̾ø/¦¾¡¼ì̾ø
  
  otl toTu-tal toTu-tal 01 1. to touch, come in contact with, feel or perceive by the touch; 2. to handle, take hold of use; 3. to be
  connected, united with or joined to; 4. to put on, as a ring, clothes; 5. to dig, scoop out, excavate; 6. to pierce through; 7. to begin; 8. to
  discharge, as an arrow or other missile; 9. to eat; 10. to think; 11. to play, as a musical instrument; to beat, as a drum; 12. to fasten,
  insert; 13. to strike, beat; 14. to strain, squeeze out, as juice; 15. to swear upon; 16. to take up, lift; 17. to wash, as clothes; 18. to
  have illicit intercourse, as with another's wife; 19. to wear, as shoes; to occur, happen, come into being
  
  ¦¾¡ýÚ < ¦¾¡ø (¿ýÚ < ¿ø §À¡Ä);
  ±É§Å ¦¾¡ýÚ ¦¾¡ðÎ ±ýÈ¡ø "¦¾¡ýÉ¡û ¦¾¡¼í¸¢"/"À¨Æ ¿¡û ¦¾¡¼í¸¢"/ "«ýÚ Ó¾ø" ±ýÚ ¦À¡Õû.
  
  «Ã¢:
  ¬Á¡õ ¾îº÷¸û ¿øÄ ¾Á¢ú¡ü¸¨Ç ¬û¸¢ýÈÉ÷.
  ÐÃôÀ½õ = drill
  ÐÃ = tura-ttal
  
  otl tura-ttal tura-ttal 1. to drive, as an elephant; to beat away, as flies; 2. to shoot, as an arrow; to peopel; 3. to diaperse, scatter; 4. to
  direct, urge, encourage; 5. to beat; 6. to drive in, hammer down, as a nail; 7. to tunnel, bore;
  
  «ô§À¡Ð "§¾¡ôÒò ÐÃ×" ±ýÈ¡ø ±ýÉ? :-)
  
  
  
  
• From: ¦À.ºó¾¢Ã§º¸Ãý/Chandra (@ hide-110.state.me.us) on: Wed Nov 29 02:59:14 EST 2000
  
  
  ±ýÉ ¬Â¢üÚ...Áì¸û "¸ÆýÚ"Å¢ð¼¡÷¸û...?
  §º¡õÒ¸¢È¡÷¸Ç¡?
  
  
  
  
• From: Hari Krishnan (@ 202.9.144.246) on: Wed Nov 29 08:55:43 EST 2000
  
  Aamaam. Aluval akkakakgaga kaztrik kondirukkirathu!
  
  
• From: JayBee (@ 203.106.194.105) on: Wed Nov 29 09:15:50 EST 2000
  
  From: ¦À.ºó¾¢Ã§º¸Ãý (@ rr-165-122-126.atl.mediaone.net) on: Sun Nov 26 21:40:47 EST 2000
  «ì¸ì¸¡¸ ¯¼õÒ ÅĢ츢ÈÐ ±ýÀ¾¢ø ±ÖõÒ ±ýÛõ ¦À¡Õû ÀΞ¢ø ³Âõ º¢È¢ÐÁ¢ø¨Ä; «ìÌ ±ýÈ¡ø ±ÖõÒ
  ±ýÚõ ¦À¡ÕÙñÎ ±ýÕ ¦¸¡§Ä¡ý «¸Ã¡¾¢ ¦º¡ø¸¢ÈÐ; §ÁÖõ «ìÌ ±ýÈ¡ø ¦Åñ¨Á ¦ÂýÚõ ¦À¡Õû
  Àθ¢ÈÐ.
  [­í§¸ ´Õ Ò¾¢÷: ¬Á¡õ ±ÖõÒ ±ýÚ ²ý ¦ÀÂ÷ Åó¾Ð? :-); Å¢¨¼ ¸ÊÉÁ¢ø¨Ä...ÝâÂÛìÌì ¸¢§Ãì¸ò¾¢ø ±ýÉ
  ¦º¡ø?]
  
  Helios is Greek for Sun.
  
  
• From: ¦À.ºó¾¢Ã§º¸Ãý/Chandra (@ hide-110.state.me.us) on: Wed Nov 29 11:46:12 EST 2000
  
  
  ¦ºÂÀ¡Ã¾¢ ³Â¡ ¿ýÈ¢:
  Ò¾¢§Ã¡Î ÁüÈÅ÷¸¨Ç «ó¾Ãò¾¢ø ¦¾¡í¸Å¢ðÎî ¦ºøÖÀÅ÷ ´ÕÅƢ¡¸ò ¾¡§Á ÁüÈÅâð¼ Ò¾¢¨ÃÂÅ¢úôÀÐ ¿øÄ Á¡üÈõ! :-))
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  Helios is Greek for Sun.
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  ¾Á¢Æ¢Öõ ±ø ±ýÈ¡ø »¡Â¢Ú, À¸¦Ä¡Ç¢
  "­¨Ç¢Õû ÀÃó¾Ð§Å! ±ø¦ºöÅ¡ý Á¨Èó¾É§É!
  ¸¨ÇÅÕõ ÒÄõÒ¿£÷ ¸ñ¦À¡Æ£­ ¯Ìò¾É§Å!
  ¾¨ÇÂÅ¢ú ÁÄ÷ìÌÆÄ¡ö! ¾½ó¾¡÷ ¿¡ðÎ ¯Ç¾¡í¦¸¡ø
  ŨǦ¿¸¢Æ ±Ã¢º¢ó¾¢ Åó¾Å¢õ ÁÕûÁ¡¨Ä?"
  ±ýÚ Á¡¾Å¢ Á¢¸ ¯Õì¸Á¡¸ì ¸¡ÉøÅâ¢ø §¸¡ÅÄý §¸¡À¢òÐî ¦ºýÈÀ¢ý §¾¡Æ¢Â¢¼õ ÒÄõÀ¢É¡û.
  [«ó¾î ¦º¡ü¸Ç¢§Ä§Â ±ùÅÇ× §º¡¸õ...­ýÛõ ¦¿ö¾üÀñ½¢ø À¡ÊÉ¡ø ¸ñ½¢¨Ãô ¦À¡Æ¢Å¢ìÌõ ±ýÀ¾¢ø ³ÂÁ¢ø¨Ä; ­Çí§¸¡Å¢ý «ÕõÀ¨¼ôÒì ¸¡ÉøÅâ]
  
  ¬¸ ±ø = ´Ç¢, ¦Åñ¨Á...
  ±ÖõÒ, ±ýÒ = ¦Åû¨ÇÂ¡É ¦À¡Õû!
  
  À¢ÈÌ ÍõÁ¡Å¡ ¦¾¡ø¸¡ôÀ¢Âõ
  "±øÄ¡î ¦º¡øÖõ ¦À¡ÕûÌÈ¢ò¾É§Å!" ±ýÚ
  ¦º¡ýÉÐ?
  «¾¡ÅÐ ¾Á¢Æ÷ ¦À¡ÕÇ¢ýÈ¢ô §ÀÍž¢ø¨Ä ¦ÂýÀÐ ¾òÐÅõ...¦ÅÚõ µ¨º¸¨Ç §¿÷ó¾ÀÊ ¦ÂØôÀ¢ô ¦ÀÂâÎÀÅ÷¸û «øÄ÷.
  ¬É¡ø ¿ýë§Ä¡ ­ÎÌÈ¢ô ¦À¦ÃýÚ ÅÌòÐò ¾Á¢Æ÷¸û
  ¯ÇÈ×õ ¦ºöÅ¡÷¸û ±ýÚ ­Ø츢Ţð¼Ð.
  ¿ýëø ¾Á¢ØìÌô ¦Àâ À¡Î¾¡ý.
  
  
  
  
• From: Vijay Tharma (@ 12.47.73.195) on: Wed Nov 29 12:19:21 EST 2000
  
  Generally Helios (HEleohs) is the name of sun god, whereas sun is spelled as ilios. (do correct me if wrong) .
  
  
  
• From: ¦À.ºó¾¢Ã§º¸Ãý/Chandra (@ hide-110.state.me.us) on: Thu Nov 30 11:18:05 EST 2000
  
  
  Å¢ºö:
  ¿ýÈ¢ ¾¢Õò¾ò¾¢üÌ. ¿£í¸û ¦º¡øÅÐ ºÃ¢§Â.
  ¬Â¢Ûõ «¨Å¢ÃýÎõ À¢ÈôÀ¢ÂÄ¢ø ­ø<->±ø ±ýÚ ¾õÓû ÁÂíÌõ ´Ä¢Âý¸¨Çì ¦¸¡ñÎ ¦¾¡¼íÌõ §Å÷¸Ç¢ý «Ê¢ü À¢Èó¾¨Å.
  
  
  
  
• From: Sujata (@ 24.69.170.174.on.wave.home.com) on: Thu Nov 30 12:45:12 EST 2000
  
  
  
  
  >>Ò¾¢§Ã¡Î ÁüÈÅ÷¸¨Ç «ó¾Ãò¾¢ø ¦¾¡í¸Å¢ðÎî ¦ºøÖÀÅ÷ <<
  
  
  Chandra,
  
  How true you are :-))
  
  
• From: visay (@ 12.47.73.195) on: Thu Nov 30 15:18:50 EST 2000
  
  Chandra, always wanted to ask you this...why are you using 'sa' instead of 'ja' while writting in Tamil, vijay, becomes visai, jaya (JB) becomes seya ;-)) (is it your way of tamilazation of Sanskrit word? if so why?)
  Just curious, and probably learn one or two in that cents.
  
  
• From: JayBee (@ 203.106.194.112) on: Thu Nov 30 18:00:24 EST 2000
  
  Tholkaappiyam mentions about Vadasol. There are ways in which Sanskrit words can be Tamilised or written in Tamil without the useage of Tamil Grantha characters.
  
  It was already in practice during the Sanggam times.
  "Prahastha' becomes 'Pirakaththan'.
  ' Kaundinya' becomes "KavuNiyan ViNNandhaayan'.
  
  Sankskrit becomes Sangadham.
  Lakshmanan becomes Ilakkuvan. Kishkinda becomes Kitkindhai. Garuda becomes kalzhulan. Ikshvaku becomes Ikkuvagu. And Vishnu becomes VittuNu.
  
  
  
• From: Sujata (@ 24.69.170.174.on.wave.home.com) on: Thu Nov 30 19:16:13 EST 2000
  
  Chandra,
  
  Hasn't the word Jayam been in Tamil for thousands of years. In old tamil was it written as jeyam or seyam? When did we first get alphabets for ja, sha, ha?
  
  
• From: ¦À.ºó¾¢Ã§º¸Ãý/Chandra (@ hide-110.state.me.us) on: Thu Nov 30 19:33:01 EST 2000
  
  
  Å¢ºö:-), ͺ¡¾¡:-)))
  ºóòÃ'§„ì†ÃÉ¢¼Á¢óÐ :-)))) ´Õ §ÅñΧ¸¡û:
  «ó¾ Ţɡ츨Çò ¦¾¡ø¸¡ôÀ¢Âò ¾¢Ã¢Â¢ø «ÄºÄ¡Á¡?
  
  
  
  
• From: susata :-) (@ 24.69.170.174.on.wave.home.com) on: Thu Nov 30 21:36:40 EST 2000
  
  Chandra,
  
  Yes sir, please.
  
  
  
• From: Pasupathy (@ pas.dialup.cs.toronto.edu) on: Fri Dec 1 22:28:38 EST 2000
  
  
  "¸Â¢Úõ «ì¸¡½¢ ¸Æ¢òÐ" ±ý¸¢ÈÐ ¦Àâ¡úšâý ¾¢Õ¦Á¡Æ¢. "­¾¢ø ÅÕõ '«ì¸¡½¢' ±ýÈ¡ø ±ýÉ" ±ýÈ §¸ûÅ¢ìÌì ¸¢.Å.ƒ-Å¢ý À¾¢ø:
  
  " «ì¸¡½¢ ±ýÈÐ ­ó¾ ¯¼õ¨À. «ìÌ-±ÖõÒ. ±Öõ¨À ¬½¢ §À¡Ä ¯û§Ç ¦¸¡ñ¼Ð ±ýÚ «ý¦Á¡Æ¢ò ¦¾¡¨¸Â¡¸ì ¦¸¡ûǧÅñÎõ."
  
  
  
• From: Vijay Tharma (@ pppa34-resalepontiac4-3r7023.saturn.bbn.com) on: Sat Dec 2 21:38:28 EST 2000
  
  Ok. dont think there is going to be a final say in this, but I think (IMHO)could we agree with,
  akku == body (akku <--angkam??)
  anni == bones
  
  Since we know the meaning of the phase is 'paathi paathiyaga pirikirathu'
  
  SO doesnt it makes sense to say that taking the bones (anni) out of the body (akku)into pieces
  Ok. dont think there is going to be a final say in this, but I think (IMHO)could we agree with,
  akku == body (akku <--angkam??)
  anni == bones
  
  Since we know the meaning of the phase is 'paathi paathiyaga pirikirathu'
  
  SO doesnt it makes sense to say that taking the bones (anni) out of the body (akku)into pieces
  Ok. dont think there is going to be a final say in this, but I think (IMHO)could we agree with,
  akku == body (akku <--angkam??)
  anni == bones
  
  Since we know the meaning of the phase is 'paathi paathiyaga pirikirathu'
  
  SO doesnt it makes sense to say that taking the bones (anni) out of the body (akku)into pieces
  
  
  But then again, in Tamil fractions we have words such as:
  mummaakaanni
  mukaanni
  araikkaanni
  In that sense could anni mean half (pieces)??
  But akku also means, half too, right, since we use to say, 'akku akkuai kalutiyachi'
  
  I'm getting confuse now... ;-((
  
  
• From: Vijay Tharma (@ pppa34-resalepontiac4-3r7023.saturn.bbn.com) on: Sat Dec 2 21:46:43 EST 2000
  
  I'm sorry folk, not sure why my posting above repeated???
  Reposting again:
  
  Ok. I dont think there is going to be a final say in this, but I think (IMHO)could we agree with,
  akku == body (akku <--angkam??)
  anni == bones
  
  Since we know the meaning of the phase is 'paathi paathiyaga pirikirathu'
  
  SO doesnt it makes sense to say that taking the bones (anni) out of the body (akku)into pieces
  
  
  But then again, in Tamil fractions we have words such as:
  mummaakaanni
  mukaanni
  araikkaanni
  In that sense could anni mean half (pieces)??
  But akku also means, half too, right, since we use to say, 'akku akkuai kalutiyachi'
  
  I'm getting confuse now... ;-((
  
  

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