Topic started by Venky Narayanan on Thu May 13 21:16:09 .
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Please post your queries, comments, definitions, explanations etc... about the components and rules of marabuk kavithaikaL.
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- From: venkat (@ dhcp22-25.riken.go.jp)
on: Thu Mar 23 04:20:22 EST 2000
Vanchi,
I was mentioning that the makatuU munnilai indicate that women were a part of academia those days. This is only an interpretation (a valid one at it). Same way thinthOL kaaLai, vethiranai thOLOn, etc. can also fill the word count in KKT as menmulai maathE. the very choice that a girl is impressed, in my opinion indicates the women as a part of these intelligent circuit.
I have seen this approach in most of our grammer works, makatuU is the preferred one. Someone can explain it.
Besides, generally everyone look at the girl. When a newly married couple come, men look at the girl ::-)) and the women look at her sari, who cares for the poor guy around. So even in a mixed class he might have been more tuned towards his girl student (take it easy)::-)))
Sorry for posting in english. Lack of time. If I miss this I cannot post till tomorrow morning. Otherwise for what my american friends write tomorrow, I have answer yesterday :-)
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on: Thu Mar 23 14:02:46 EST 2000
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- From: Hari Krishnan (@ 202.144.10.93)
on: Thu Mar 23 20:23:29 EST 2000
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- From: venkat (@ dhcp22-25.riken.go.jp)
on: Fri Mar 24 00:22:28 EST 2000
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- From: Vanchinathan (@ 203.197.139.98)
on: Fri Mar 24 02:45:18 EST 2000
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My dear girl students with lovely pink breasts! let us see how Snell's law of refraction can be explained according to the ray theory of light. Oh girls, with shaplely thighs trembling like the slender branch of a Yellow Birch tree, once we use Bernoulli's solution of Brachistochrone problem it can be interpreted as Optical version of least energy principle.
Listen to me girls with hair around your navel that whirls around like a tornado on the silky beach of Miami, this can also be explained using the wave theory of light.
I am sure this cannot be done in classroom lectures in USA or India, or for that matter even in countries like Sweden where they say the society has a very mature, healthy and balanced attitude towards sex.
So I don't buy this argument that this shows there were women in classrooms. Actually it can be used to argue against it. A book for exclusively male audience is more likely to have such a description.
The idea of sprinkling the book with mentions of a ficitious female student's breasts would have been tempting to a budding author competing with thousand year old Tholkaappiyam to make his book more readable. We've seen lot of advertisements (or 'commercials' as some people say -- I haven't yet mastered the art of using adjectives as nouns) in TV featuring women sporting dresses made of diaphanous materials promoting dull products.
Of course there had been excellent poets such as Avvaiyaar, veNNikkuyaththiyaar, nachcheLLayaar .
(It is amazing that veNNikkuyaththiyaar could go and tell a King that the foe he defeated was a superior person to him.)
Has anyone noticed that among contemporary (say 1960- 1990) Thamizh writers it is fairly easy to spot women authors just by reading their books? I find it difficult to do the same thing in Sangam classics, be it akam or puRam. Of course it could be because I am not sufficiently familiar with sangath thamizh . Has anyone really made a study and confirmed that some of the women poets are not really males masquerading under a female ezuththaaNi name?
- From: Vanchinathan (@ 203.197.139.98)
on: Fri Mar 24 04:33:10 EST 2000
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