Topic started by Vanchinathan on Thu Jul 1 05:46:04 .
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Thamizh vocabulary is rich enough to write verses of various kinds and for scholarly writing in certain topics. But many of us face a dilemma when
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- From: Chandra (@ viking2.delta-air.com)
on: Mon Aug 16 14:57:25
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"valaiyaham" seems to be very good.
Excuse me while I digress to be forced to respond to a preceding posting by Mr.Vassan.
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> From: Vassan (@ gup-063-dpm2.cia-g.com) on: Fri Aug 13 16:08:34
>..
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> In fractious forums like SCT and ** tamil@tamil.net **,
> it deserves to called "thiri"...successive responses twist
> the arguments..
> In good forums, it should be called "izai"...smooth and
> ductile like a golden jewel.
> izu = to draw izai= to smooth wooden surface by planing :-).."
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> all you learned people pl.tell me "why
> in the hell theres' a need to talk about
> other web based tamil forums here,esp.under a topic
> thats' being called "paNNiless thamiz"..?
They are public forums and just like political parties like DMK, ADMK were
subject to comments pleasant and not-so-pleasant in the preceding posts, so are these...
Main Entry: fractious
1 : tending to be troublesome : UNRULY
2 : QUARRELSOME, IRRITABLE
I accurately described those forums. Even though they are supposed to be moderated,
there is no effort made to prevent rabid, indecent and personally offensive postings by
members of those forums. I standby my remark.
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> fractious or not if someone doesn't like whats going on
> in a web forum,all they have to do is split..instead venting
> a personal
> frusturation thro a public forum.. ;-(
It is those that pollute the forums that need to be shut out.
There is no personal frustration on my part...it is a public frustration.
I am fighting for a public cause and will point it out to those who are
in a posiiton to correct it. This is an open call to the admins of those
forums (I know SCT is irredeemable and has become irrelevant).
>
> calling other forums no good here [forum hub],
> now that statement is nothing but a below the waist low blow :(
>
It was not below the belt...it was in-your-face.
I have probably written more critical words on participants' products in this
hub than anybody else. It is very collegial and open and people take it for granted
the sincerity and earnestness of arguments put forth by fellow hubbers.
Criticising those forums was not the primary purpose of those hurmorous
remarks, anyway. I have no vested interests in promoting forumhub however much I respect it
for the wonderful atmosphere it provides for stimulating and decent interaction that promotes
understanding of Tamil heritage.
> I would like to urge the "hub team" moderators
> to stop/discourage these kind of stepping over the line
> crap from happening again.
Watch your words, Mr.Vassan...I wonder how those words escaped the
built-in censor in the forum hub respose handler. That was quite intemperate...
you were not personally criticized by me at all...not to mention that what offiicial affiliation
and it looks like that was your first posting on forumhub...not so auspicious an entry
for you.
For those who think I might be new to the net or might be inexperienced in net etiquette or do not know
how to handle opposiiton and criticism:
SCT is *my* forum....
I am a CO-FOUNDER OF SCT (soc.culture.indian)....FYI
The engineer-Indologist Dr.N.Ganesan and I fought hard to establish SCT.
I am the FOUDNER of the *first ever* forum on the internet exclusively for Tamil: alt.culture.tamil
which I founded when certain elements on soc.culture.india were opposing
the formation of a moderated group for Tamil (starting a moderated usenet newsgroup
required more votes in favor than against).
I then came up with the idea of forming an unmoderated group alt.culture.tamil which required
appeal to various admins and founded alt.culture.tamil whence it was easy to form soc.culture.tamil.
That was all 8 years ago...an eon in these fast paced Internet days...
there were no buzz words like e-commerce, web or even web; and nobody except
computer science students, as part of there networking and communication
education, would utter the word "internet".
Thank you.
Chandra
- From: Mani M. Manivannan (@ pc-242-57.corp.3com.com)
on: Mon Aug 16 17:38:20
Chandra,
I wanted to wait until you comment on this issue. I agree that both SCT and Tamil.Net are quite contentious. As a long time participant in both fora, I have seen them change and evolve over the years. SCT is a true anarchy and rather proud of it. Tamil.Net is simply free-wheeling but just like SCT it too is unmoderated except on rare occasions. Like it or not, both have emerged as the place where any Tamil can voice any opinion, sort of like an online Hyde Park. It is the inevitable result of popularity. There was a time when Tamil.Net was just as collegial and open as ForumHub and hence seemed "clubby" to newcomers. And as for commenting about other fora, there have been plenty of less than flattering comments about other fora and non-members in Tamil.Net. I understand Vassan's anger. But in this instance, I feel that he has overreacted a little. And I am sure in the future, we will all be a bit more sensitive to members from other fora that frequent here. Now, let us get back to the main "ilzhai" :-)))
- From: Vassan (@ gup-097-dpm3.cia-g.com)
on: Mon Aug 16 17:41:58
well,couldn't help it folks,again a bit of that getting off track,the degression stuff!!But this, I promise would be my last...
Look Mr.Chandra
The topic under which we are talking here is "paNNiless thamiz"..tell us why there was a need to talk about other tamil forums..?
Since you are an expert [reading from your above e-mail] and a forum founder....
݀ ر [netiquettes] ̴ .....
you should be the last person to criticize other tamil cyber communities under a totally unrelated topic....
And are you going to tell me you didn't expect
response(s) from someone who holds those other forum(s) so dear to their hearts as well as their souls...
If you want to talk about other tamil cyber communities..thats fine with me!!..then
"WHY DON'T YOU START A THREAD(T) DEVOTED
EXCLUSIVELY FOR THAT"..
FYI
I have been a member of www.tamil.net
since early 1997 and was the honorary treasurer
of tamil.net.It should be of no surprise to
anyone that I've a softcorner for tamil.net
and rightfully so..
2) I've been participating here in forumhub
under a pseudonym,since I read here at the
instructions page ,a nick name was preffered!!
so my rebuttal to your e-mail talking about
"tamil.net" under the * relevent * (!) "paNNiless thamiz" topic wasn't my maiden posting after all.
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Reg,your posting "Watch it Mr.Vassan" as above,
:)))))))))))))))))))))) ROFL, ROFL, ROF laughing
my *** off :)))))
- From: venkat (@ vectra2.riken.go.jp)
on: Mon Aug 16 20:55:03
everyone,
I was, just like, mani says, waiting to see what chandra replied. I am not a longtime netizen. My experiences are different, may be unique. I saw it all booming and even participated avidly in those days. Then I was away from it all for two years and came back. I could very easily see a different SCT when I came back, I was disgusted to the point that I did not even reply to any of the posting there (which I felt I had something to say). Then watched for few more days AND stopped looking at it. The experinece was so bitter that I just hated any other online stuff (moderated or unmoderated), until I happened to see forumhub and agathiyar. I waited and watched the threads for few days and developed a sense of safety beofre I started posting.
Now to reply to vasan,
1. the topic just cropped here and it was not created (nor forced) by chandra. So panniless tamil or yappu thread, I guess he has the same to say. I felt that his remarks were relevant AND TO THE POINT (though I differ with his opinions). I can only see that your flame is out of a sensitive attachement to the groups you hold dear.
2. I am only surprised to see that you suggest a thread in forumhum to bash other forums :)))
3. I guess when forumhub admin suggest a nickname they never meant that one can use as many names as he wants. I can never imagine that one can choose different names to represent himself differently (to the same set of friends), esp in the net. It does not fit into any ideals of netiquettes (that we are so fond of quoting).
4. It all looks to me that people are waiting for one simple remark to start a flame, we are becoming so intolerant. I could have completely supported your remarks if someone continues to irritate (even there I feel the best is to ignore rather than incite). Why don't we tolerate once before trying to engage. Afterall everyone is entitiled to his opinions.
I guess enough is enough now (not to be taken for silencing anyone!!). We come back to the point and I provide a re-starter in the next post.
- From: venkat (@ vectra2.riken.go.jp)
on: Mon Aug 16 21:14:25
Chandra said,
>With these many different words, it gives an impression that Tamil in the internet age is not a serious thing. It simply becomes a curiosity and simply ends up a topic duirng weekend parties. There is no air of seriousness to it.
Now, I am sorry I feel otherwise. When a new concept emergers and attracts people they seem to give different names to it. I call my 2 year old son with a dozen (or more) names, that is out of affection and he seems to understand it (and like it too). he has picked up the habit from me and he has four or five names for me. Unless we embrace the inevitable, all pervading concept like internet and hold it dear we are not going to get the benefits out of it.
valaiakam is not sujatha's concept, I have seen people using, (valai) _akam, _illam, _kudil, _vItu _pulam and many more. It does not seem stange. To suggest them to use, say, valaiakam sounds totaliterian to me. may be in the long run some of them will be extinct, but we are no one to suggest. Darwinian priciples will surely act on these and we have to wait. I guess never such restrictions were made i english, but still terms emerge there. My point is that we should coin terms (aptly to indicate the concept) and urge the readers to use it. But we should surely cry when vikatan uses internet as a tamil word (when alternatives exist).
Coming back to izai and thiri : I guess the concept of good threads and bad threads is not scientific (it is so personal), I do not know exactly what is your suggestion. if we hold this somebody's thiri will someone else's izai.
- From: venkat (@ vectra2.riken.go.jp)
on: Mon Aug 16 21:29:38
Why not consider these,
internet - Utuvalai, valai. Ũ, Ũ
web - iNaiyam
world wide web - ulakUtuvalai - Ũ
thread - izai, thiri - , â
(good thread - nallizai or naRRiri, Ģ, Ȣâ
bad thread - allizai - Ģ)
moderated groups - n_ilaicaar kuzu - ĺ
unmoderated group - n_ilaiyili kizu -¢Ģ
forum - manRam -
hub - maiyam -
forumhub - manRamaiyam - Ȩ
(good, my long time desire to have a tamil name for forumhub has come true)
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