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- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache203.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Sat Oct 23 10:20:40 EDT 2004
CONTD
In the word Naagathiipam, the word thiipam is not light or lamp. It is the change or corruption as follows: thiivu > thiivam > thiipam. (island).
As the end of Naaga+ (thiivu+am) corrupted to (thiipam), the beginning of the word (Thiiva)naagari corrupted to (Deva)+ naagari. Many Nagas settled in Chera Naadu and Naagar corrupted to Nair, whilst some Nagars and others who were conferred the title "Naaya(ga)rs" (meaning generals or troop leaders which title also corrupted to Nair, causing more confusion!! As a result, it is said that you have many subdivions in the Nair caste today... That piece is just for your fun knowledge.
In the previous post, typo islans read as islands.
Tks.
- From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ cache-rtc-ae05.proxy.aol.com)
on: Sat Oct 23 15:16:51 EDT 2004
nanRi, Thiru A P MASILMANI avargalae!
A well through Explanation. I believe one of the 'Yaazhppaanap pulavar' of 'Sanga kaalam' was 'Eezhathththu Nagavaenthar'. The naagars were Thamizh right? What about this community 'Iyakkar?' and Manipallavam theevu is one of the Island that lie in the Jaffna Peninsula, I am not sure whether if it is Pungudu theevu or Nainatheevu or something else.
Thiru A P MASILMANI avargalae, why did the nagas go to Chera Nadu? Did Eezham was in contact with Thamizh Nadu during the late 'Sanga Kaalam?' According to what 'Ilango' says on 'Silappathikaaram' we could estimate that about 3,000 years ago Thamizh Nadu and Eezham was connected by land and could have been one. The Singhalese government says that there was two group of people living in 'Eezham' (Sri Lanka and Thamizheezham) namely, Iyakkar and Nagar. Many Thamizh scholars says that Thamizhars lived in Eezham and the singhalese says this to reject the fact that Thamizhans inhabited Eezham from the ancient time. There are however some other people who says that Singhalese were Thamizhars and migrated to nowday North India thousands of years ago and then came back and settled and spoke a corrupted language, but were well versed in Thamizh and then eventually went apart from Thamizhars by religious difference etc. I even heard that 'Kandip perararra' was a 'vizhaa' celebrated to remember the ancient tradition of Singhalese and their ancestral Gods like Murugan. Then during one of the Singhalese King Time a buddhist Monk from South East Asia had asked him to change this to carrying Buddhaa teeth. Although it was celebrated once then it was stopped and then the old tradition was followed later on and then it changed back to 'Kandip perrara.'
Anyway then there is a common believe of arrivals of Bali Prince to Eezham and marrying the Princess and etc...(which isn't really convincable). What do you think about all these stories that explain the formation of Singhalese in Eezham?
nanRi, vannakkam THIRU A P MASILMANI AVARGALAE!
- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache203.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Sun Oct 24 06:00:45 EDT 2004
//Anyway then there is a common believe of arrivals of Bali Prince to Eezham and marrying the Princess and etc...(//
Indonesian people believe that their princess Tribuna (or Tribuvana Sundari) married a Singhalese King. Similar belief in Lanka. Another from the Malay peninsula also seemed to have married in Lanka. There is also a story about Malay invasion of Lanka owing to succession problems (the half-Malay prince being denied the throne). I think there could be some truth in these connections.
- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache203.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Sun Oct 24 06:23:20 EDT 2004
CONTD..
When Rajendra Chozan decided open the "blocked trade route" between China and South India or TN area, he did not set about invading the SEAsian (Sri Vijaya etc ) Empire straightaway. He had to break the Sinhalese first and subdue them, so that they did not pose any threat to his sea force or his nearby homeland. (Also for other additional reasons we need not go into.) He then began the attack on SEAsia. This was a military move to neutralise enemy sympathisers first before the invasion proper of the enemy himself. These events have a reason behind: The Lanka - SEA family connections? More research should be done in this area. Perhaps someone doing a PhD in history should do this topic and add to our knowledge. Such study should include if possible enquiry into matters re: Naagars and Iyakkars. NanRi thiru Neduncheziyan avargale. vanakkam.
- From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ cache-mtc-ae05.proxy.aol.com)
on: Sun Oct 24 19:30:13 EDT 2004
//Tribuvana Sundari//
I wanted to ask you a question regarding the word 'sundaram' which form the names 'Sundaran,' 'Sundari,' etc. One of the Four main Nayanmaar was called as 'Suntharar.' I believe they still use the word 'Suntharam' to define 'beauty' in Malayalam. Is the word 'Suntharam' Thamizh? What is the root of the word 'Suntharam?'
nanRi, Thiru A P MASILMANI avargalae!
- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache203.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Sun Oct 24 19:50:48 EDT 2004
Thiru Neduncheziyan avargale!
If you get this book in your country, read it:
"PROTO DRAVIDIAN CULTURE: by Christopher Jon Furer Haimendorf. This research proves that the Dravidians occupied and lived in Lanka before the other group from Eastern (or Western?) India came. According to Sinhalese author Lionel Sarath, Tamil was the lingua franca for quite a long while and Tamil words had mixed a great deal with Sinhalese. Just like an educated man nowadays without the knowledge of English is considered as not up to standard, at one time a Sinhalese Pundit without the knowledge of Tamil was considered low. Andra dynasties also had a great deal to do with Sinhalese dynasties.
Another researcher Mortimer Wheeler says that North India was much behind the South in progress and their Iron Age was much later than the South. Hence Skrt should be behind Tamil in coining words connected with iron, copper etc and it borrowed from Dravidian!!
Anyway, the inscriptions of Arikkamedu and and other findings in Aathichchanallur prove that the Roman soldiers were under the Tamil rulers. They liked liquor (toddy etc).In Jaffna, it was then known as Yavanabaanam amd evem exported. Hence, vandaliRu to funnel, the chain can be traced. In unlocking words and exposing their Dravidian roots, we must move along with history.
- From: amp (@ cache203.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Sun Oct 24 20:23:15 EDT 2004
Thiru Neduncheziyan.
ON SUNDARAM or SUNTHARAM.
Root is sun (not English sun ).
sun > sunai: water spring, lake filled with spring water.
sun > sunaithal: making soft. (not stiff).
sun > sunnam : 1. flower 2 silk. 3. white. 4 chuuaambu (lime ).
sun+ tharam = suntharam, (sundaram). A quality of being as beautiful as flower, white in colour, as cool as spring water and as soft as silk. Beauty from one or more of these.
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