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- From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ cache-dtc-ae09.proxy.aol.com)
on: Thu Sep 30 23:51:01 EDT 2004
May and 'Maii' (aAdu maeiththal)
CORRECTION: May and 'Maei' (aAdu maeithal)
Thiru AP MASILMANI AVARGALAE, is there any connection between Korean Language and Thamizh? For instance, 'sundal-kaththarikkAi' is called similarly in Korean. During the Chozha Empire, the Thamizhars spreaded to many places in South and South East Asia and even into the East.
Korean Language is old as 600 years. When I asked a Korean, how their language rooted in 600 years, he said, their people created and etc. I don't know if you are aware of the Chinese claiming Japanese to have stole their linguistic ideas and mutilated and made Japanese Language anyway, I would like to know if there is any connection between Korean Language and Thamizh.
Moreover, I would like to know whether if the word 'pati' which mean 'kuthirai' (horse) in Thamizh is also used in Chinese. According to the Author of the 1987(87 or 89) Tianniman Square Massacrae's historical book "THE FORBIDDEN CITY" he enlist the words 'pati' and another saying those are chinese words for 'horse.' When I asked a Chinese friend of mine about it, he refused to accept that. Anyway please let me know if you know anything about that.
NANRI, THIRU MASILMANI AVARGALAE, varum vaatam santhippoem! ____/\____ "VAAZHTHTHUKKAL"
- From: Periyar Arivar (@ cache-rtc-ae05.proxy.aol.com)
on: Sat Oct 2 01:04:51 EDT 2004
Dear A. P. Masilamani,
I appreciate your contribution on this thread and establishing the truth that classical Sanskrit has extensively borrowed from Tamil and other Dravidian languages. Do you believe Sanskrit can be written using existing pure Sanskrit words that has the same origin as of Persian language?
Dear Nedunchezian,
Thank you for keeping this thread alive. Keep up the good work.
Periyar Arivar
- From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ cache-rtc-ae05.proxy.aol.com)
on: Sat Oct 2 12:37:41 EDT 2004
nanri, Thiru. Periyar Arivar
nanri Thiru AP MASILMANI avargalae.
- From: A P Masilamani (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Mon Oct 4 23:25:34 EDT 2004
Thiru Neduncheziyan and Periyar avargale!!
//What is a good Thamizh Word for 'wheel?' // : You may use the word uruLai.
UruLai has corrupted and become Rootai (rothai/ rodaa). Uru > roo (pronounced: roh). Lai> thai or dai or daa!!
Some words corrupt or derive in this manner, La > ta, (da.) An example is thaLai ( tie up ) > thatti ( something that is tied to a pole or pillar to cover ). The root word of thaLai is thaL which changes to thatu or (tadu). It is a common change which can be seen in many Tamil words. Uru > ru and ula > loo (pronounce loh) and ara > ra are far too commonly seen if you spend time with words.
I give you one interesting example: rasam. From: arai (grind) . arai+ am + araiyam > arasam > rasam. Essence obtained by grinding or pounding some herbs or other ingredients. Rasam> irasam.
Ya>sa is also abundantly common. If you want, I will give a short list. Neyam> nesam; theyam> thesam; vaayil > vaasal. etc
//word for 'Cake?' // Cake is just appam but our appam looks and tastes different from the Western cake; hence there may be hesitation in accepting the word as equivalent. Then in Thanith Tamiz, you have to call it “seemai appam” but it may sound unusual.
//My friend and I used to discuss about these common sound words in Thamizh and English and used to list them when we have a conversation. We didn't write it down...for example words like //
There is currently a long list of such words. Hence, some linguists are saying that Tamizh should be compared with IE languages. Linguistic historians say that the IE languages had borrowed many many words from other languages during its infancy when it was taking shape in its place of origin. Dravidian/Sumerian is one of the contributing languages. Others have brought out some examples. I have pointed out some before.
Later owing to trade with the Greeks, many Tamil words have found their way into European vocabulary.
Keep a list of such words for your reference. When others forget you can help.
We shall discuss such and other words as we progress.
- From: A P MASILAMANI (@ cache202.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Mon Oct 4 23:34:27 EDT 2004
contd:
Do you believe Sanskrit can be written using existing pure Sanskrit words that has the same origin as of Persian language?
It may be possible to express some simple ideas by using their historical vocabulary, but the Skrtists will fall flat when coming to re-expressing stories such as Ramayana and Mahabaratha! Even their Rig Veda had much Dravidian influence in vocabulary and other features, as per Linguist SK Chatterji, in his Origin and Development of the Bengali Language.
Thanks gentlemen.
- From: Senthamizhaedu@hotmail.com (@ cache-mtc-ae09.proxy.aol.com)
on: Tue Oct 5 23:31:58 EDT 2004
Nanri Thiru AP MASILMANI AVARGALAE!
Recently, couple of days ago my friend told me about this Malayala Radio Station which he had listened and that he understood significant amount of what they spoke. Not only that but he alo told me that the Thamizh names for numbers apply similarly in malayalam too. Although I'm aware of the roots and that Malayalam is mostly Thamizh and that the writing system is different. My questions are, Do they call and name the numbers in THAMIZH? Can we write Malayalam without using the current script?
Talking about script, What was the Thamizh original script? I heard that long ago Thamizh ka was like a + (plus) sign. Then, once I had this conversation with someone who said Sanskirit's ka also looked like that once. That may prove the origin of Sanskirit from Thamizh. Anyhow, What was the Thamizh Oldest script? What about 'Sindhu VeLi Nakarika ezhuththu?' What's the origin of Brahmi and Giranda Script?
- From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ cache-mtc-ae09.proxy.aol.com)
on: Tue Oct 5 23:35:09 EDT 2004
You said the word 'Jeyiththal' came from the Thamizh word 'Seiithal'...how about the word 'Nijam?'
and do u know any originity of the word 'Paandii?' (The Pandyan Dynasty etc)
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