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Historical Novels: Ponniyin Selvan vs Kadal Pura
Historical Novels: Ponniyin Selvan vs Kadal Pura
Topic started by AK (@ sgigate.sgi.com) on Wed Nov 7 04:10:16 .
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Hi,
I just finished "Kadal Pura" by Sandilyan and wanted to get some views on what others think of it. Someone on this forum recommended Kadal Pura as a great historical novel. I think I would have to disagree.
A historical novel is one which not only is set in historical times but also is built upon a series of historical events. Moreover, it also ought to comment upon the social melieu of those times. Sadly, Kadal pura was a huge disappointment in those terms. Although, the setting was historical and a couple of main characters were, almost none of the events had any historical basis.
It almost seemed at times like it was a Rajnikanth movie with its larger than life hero Karunakara Pallavan doing amazing deeds.
Ponniyin Selvan on the other hand was a joy to read. It discussed the political/social situation in the country... discussed the historical aspects.. with a lot of vivid imagination thrown in to boot.
I would love to hear comments from other people who have read both the books.
Cheers,
AK
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Responses:
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- From: vivek (@ 219.65.102.161)
on: Thu Aug 7 06:36:15 EDT 2003
here is a link that had details on Akilan and Na.Parthasarathy's works
http://classic1231.tripod.com
- From: Giri Shenbaga Raj.C. (@ )
on: Sat Sep 6 23:10:12
any one knows any websites thats fully have the tamil historic novels of both kalki & Sandilyan.
If any 1 willing to sell their novels by both pls let me know.
- From: Ayyappan (@ 61.11.75.64)
on: Tue Sep 23 08:51:00 EDT 2003
Hi,
Read these comments on kalki and chandaliyan
How bad those on kalki!!Kalki novel padikkarathuku oru rasipu thanmai vendum. I think those whoooo wants a climax as in a masala movie is not supposed to read great novels like PS And one tells that Chandaliyan is excellent in areas of sex ! Oh kadavulae if u want sex in novels go for some sex books why do u expect it in kalkiso bad of u all nay way train ur maind to read good novels!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- From: A.D.Mohanraaj (@ 203.197.157.138)
on: Tue Oct 14 09:15:51 EDT 2003
I have the same opinioin of Arun...
Its Comparing Himalayas with Antartic ocean.
Both are large enough to make us amuse.
Both having peculiarity in their writtings.
And they both don't have followers... like Barathidhasan to Barathi or somebody who even try to fulfill their place in tamil lit., world.
But Sandilyan have only one draw back that the discrbing style of his heroine. it is toooo hot.
- From: Sathiyan (@ 61.11.43.111)
on: Tue Oct 14 11:29:18 EDT 2003
Hii all,
i was attracted more by SANDILYAN than by KALKI because he scripts with real history while KALKI add his own stories with the history to make the story intresting.
We can see them clearly because NANDHINI is an imaginary character who has captured everyone's heart but thats the fact. Those who read History apart from stories can learn it. Similalry SIVAGAMI in SIVAMIYIN SABATHAM, who is also an imaginary character. Kalki ties the story with those imaginary characters only and if they were absent the story lack its thread.
But SANDILYAN narrates the history with historical heroes. Karunakara Pallavan (Thondaimaan) is a historical character and everyone knew about KULOTHUNGA CHOLAN who had been even to CHINA as an embassy of CHOLA kingdom. Then in YAVANNA RANI, KARIKALAN lost his reign to his kin and got back the kingdom at venniparanthali war and so only built GRAND ANNAICUT(KALLANAI), its all the fact that story is not built with imaginary characters.
Another thing everyone has said is 'sex', i accept youngsters should not be given Sandilyan's book. But his works as Seran magal, Yavana Rani, Kadal purra and few other has portrayed heroines not through sex.
KALKI is the outstanding author in historical by his thoughts and imaginations blended with history. He gives the history of cholas in PS.
but he should have narrated with historical character itself and not with imaginary characters.
- From: Jaiganesh (@ 203.200.33.200)
on: Mon Oct 20 08:53:18 EDT 2003
Hi friends!
The art of writing historicals is a very difficult art. simply put it is the art of filling up gaps in history(due to want of facts and evidence) with imaginative guesswork and imaginary characters. Kalki, while writing Ponniyin Selvan did not have any compulsions to write a fast paced novel. He did not care about the pace of the novel(Strange even for a weekly series). Whereas Sandilyan was under the compulsion of making every episode fast paced and thrilling(weekly one episode). Strange as it may sound, though both wrote for literary magazines, Sandilyan's style was apt for Kumudam(young people's magazine). Kalki wrote for old people and kids(predominantly). So comparing them both is like comparing Michael Bevan and Rahul Dravid(Both excel in different league of cricket). Due to the fact that Kumudam patronised Sandilyan, he wrote huge no. of historicals for that magazine. Which in turn might have taken away some depth, which Kalki could impart to his 3 major historicals(Parthiban Kanavu, Sivagamiyin Sabadham adn Ponniyin selvan). In short Sandilyan's work are like paperbook novels written by James Hadley Chase, in a historical context. But very very interesting.
thanks,
Jaiganesh
- From: Ravindran Manavalan (@ ip6-115.eyrkonaeac07.dialup.ca.telus.com)
on: Sun Oct 26 12:22:47 EST 2003
Please do not compare Amarar Kalki and Sandilyan novels like Leony's pattimanram. One has to individually enjoy those author's works. I had read all the works of both of these author's works. Though I am a great fan of Sandilyan I would not like to compare the authors work and give a rating. For example if Kalki were to asked to rate Sandilyan works he would have rated better than his own works, in the same way even Sandilyan would have rated Kalkis works better than his own. This is my humble and strong opinion.
If any one wants a little more interesting information of Sandilyan e-mail me.
Please read works of other authors like Akilon,Na.Parthasarathy,Kovi Manisekaran,Jegachirpian,Somu and a lot more of them.
I had read all these authors works for about 30 years and still I continue to read again and again whenever I get a chance.
- From: :-]] (@ hse-hamilton-ppp190438.sympatico.ca)
on: Sun Oct 26 20:08:26 EST 2003
See discussions in some old threads on same topic:
http://forumhub.com/tnhistory/17484.05.22.16.html
A related thread :
http://forumhub.com/tlit/2263.01.43.16.html
- From: SELLA (@ wc09.mtnk.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com)
on: Tue Nov 4 20:32:35 EST 2003
Comparing amarar Kalkis histoical novels with Chandilyans is just like comparing Maha Bhatathy
with Kavingar Kannadasan. We cannot enjoy sexual sensation in Bharathiars works but in Kavigar Kannathasans songs one can feel it .His songs with double meaning is so valger as anything and
one can enjoy sexual sensation abundantly.
Bharathiar is great . Kannadasan is also big in his own way.
AMARAR KALKI KRISHNAMOORTHY IS GREAT. CHANDILYAN IS ALSO A GREAT NOVELIST IN HIS OWN STYLE.
- From: SELLA (@ wc09.mtnk.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com)
on: Tue Nov 4 20:32:43 EST 2003
Comparing amarar Kalkis histoical novels with Chandilyans is just like comparing Maha Bhatathy
with Kavingar Kannadasan. We cannot enjoy sexual sensation in Bharathiars works but in Kavigar Kannathasans songs one can feel it .His songs with double meaning is so valger as anything and
one can enjoy sexual sensation abundantly.
Bharathiar is great . Kannadasan is also big in his own way.
AMARAR KALKI KRISHNAMOORTHY IS GREAT. CHANDILYAN IS ALSO A GREAT NOVELIST IN HIS OWN STYLE.
- From: Sivakumar (@ )
on: Sat Jan 10 02:14:37
Hi Friends,
Iam heavly attracted by SANDILYAN with KadalPura.
Iam surprising with our Chola Kings and them clevernes on 1063..
We can find tamil people clever, cautions, fighting techniques and more...
Siva
- From: quake (@ 202.68.154.19)
on: Fri Jan 23 11:49:33 EST 2004
http://www.iomx.com/online_ebooks.htm
http://www.iomx.com/download.htm
http://www.iomx.com/webmaster.htm
http://www.iomx.com/
- From: Aravinthan (@ its-wn-prox3.its.rmit.edu.au)
on: Tue Feb 3 23:02:39 EST 2004
One of the greatest moment in Poniyin chelvan is Adhithya Karikaalan's death. According to history(Thiruvalaankaadu Cheppedu- Inscription)Karikaalan died in a lowly lit room. And still it is a mystery who killed Karikaalan. Is Vanthiathevan's jail justified(According to history)? Or is it really Paandiyar behind it. Or is it merely a power struggle between RajaRajan and Karikaalan where RajaRajan had all the support rom Kunthavi??? Who knows? But Kalki wrote it in such a way that the episodes were not contradicting the history and yet leaving room for all the other options.
Yes he is a great writer and Poniyin Chelvan is a Historical novel with timeless beauty.
Aravinthan
Australia
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