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Dear friends out there, could all of you help me in translating these word of "1. Please Press button to talk, 2. Insert card inside slot, 3. Take receipt, 4. Take back card" to Tamil language, and if possible with it's hand writing in tamil version. |
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- From: terminator (@ 61.95.160.65)
on: Fri Nov 28 06:22:31 EST 2003
And the other Tamil work quoted by Idiappam "Tholkappiam" - The word "kappiyam" is a corruption of the Sanskrit word "kavya".
So the names of Tamil works itself contain Sanskrit words or words of Sanskrit origin. Imagine what the works would contain then?
- From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Fri Nov 28 07:09:57 EST 2003
//Idiappam you think you are better than the His Holiness Kanchi Acharya?//
Of course, I am better, the Kanchi Acharyas were for centuries anti-Tamil Sanskritists - you can't quoute anything from a biased sourse.
You blabberings are rejected - Till you can give the roots of words like Kavya, Deva, Raja, Meena, hara, and the rest of the words that you assume to be original sanskrit!
YOu can't even quote a single source for the word 'Hara' in sankrit literature! Why write tall stories here. Just go back to my post at the TN History section on 'Tamil words plagiarised by Sanskrit', scroll back to old responsed and you can see that I have given many roots of these word, their derivatives and related words in TAMIL.
You can't say or put forth a similar proof for these words for being Sanskrit, and possibly this could be the reason for you to issue personal insults on me! Very immatured you are!
//Idiappam here in those quoted lines is conceding defeat. He is agreeing that Tamil absorbed a lot of Sanskrit words. And since the Tamil script is itself inadequate to represent these words, the words had to be Tamilised or in other words the original sounds had to be corrupted. Why would Tholkappiam frame rules if there were not many words coming from Sanskrit into Tamil? There should have been a whole lot of such words for a person to take up an exercise like this. //
There is no defeat here, it is simple honesty of the Tamilians to admit where they borrow - unlike the plagiarism of Sanskritists from native tongues. If you go to the TN History section - i have given another thread where I have give a list of Sanskrit words borrowed by Tamil language - with their Tamil equivalent.
Don't brag too much, Terminator to glorify you Sanskrit - it is full of treachery and plagiarism!
- From: terminator (@ 61.95.160.65)
on: Sat Nov 29 03:12:55 EST 2003
Idiappam is an example of what increased amount of inferiority complex and state sponsered fanatism (DK/DMK rancid outbursts) can lead to.
This insolent idiot thinks he is better than the Sankaracharya.
By foul mouthing the Sankaracharya he lost the support of half his Tamil brethern, I would add the educated and literate half.
As, your language does not even have a original word for God, your people are making gods out of MGR, Rajini and Kushboo.
So go wear your lungi with the DMK/ADMK border and go take another dip in your Tamil original kolambu.
No wonder Madras is one of the most polluted cities in the world. With people like idiappam in Tamil Nadu, what should one expect.
- From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Sat Nov 29 04:49:11 EST 2003
Terminator lamented:
//Idiappam is an example of what increased amount of inferiority complex and state sponsered fanatism (DK/DMK rancid outbursts) can lead to.//
Sorry, this is not a disscussion about me nor any political associattion - this is about languages - you have no facts to support your claims and therefore just trying to bring this into a political discussion, or even worst a flame war. I have nothing to say of the politics and social affairs of anything India. Terminator, control you emotions, and don't let your mind wander. Come to the point. And stop your idiotic remarks on transliteration of Indian words to Roman characters.
I say, Sanskrit plagiarised from Tamil and other native tongues. Comment on that. For example:
Telegu - Kogilam, Sanskrit - Kogila, Tamil - Kuyil, Hindi - Koyal. (for the Indian cuckoo bird) - you can see from this that Sanskrit even plagiarised form Telegu - a language that is older thatn Sanskrit.
T//his insolent idiot thinks he is better than the Sankaracharya. //
Why must I rever, Sankaracharya - who were all the time anti-Tamil. I don't care a even a dung for them, Sanskaracharyas!
//By foul mouthing the Sankaracharya he lost the support of half his Tamil brethern, I would add the educated and literate half.//
My Tamil brothers are always behind me - don't post your assumptions here. Readers here know you are talking throught your nose! Dream on!
//As, your language does not even have a original word for God, your people are making gods out of MGR, Rajini and Kushboo. //
I heard this insults over and over again - You don't even have originality in your insults! You are another anti-Tamil Sanskritic stooge - shooting your mouth off!
//So go wear your lungi with the DMK/ADMK border and go take another dip in your Tamil original kolambu. //
Now, what do we have here? Terminator - a Sanskritist, now has adapted words form Jain and Buddhist anti-Tamils from the museum!
//No wonder Madras is one of the most polluted cities in the world. With people like idiappam in Tamil Nadu, what should one expect.//
Deeply flawed! For one, you assumption on Chennai (you are still calling it Madras - update yorself, on everything). Second, I am a third generation Singapore born Tamil.
My sincere advice to you, Terminator! Control your emotions and come to the point! otherwise you can't get anywhere here!
- From: R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68-0-198-105.ri.ri.cox.net)
on: Sun Nov 30 01:15:43 EST 2003
Dear Mr. Terminator,
Some of your points criticising cheaply about Tamil, (as raised here and other Threads) have already been duly replied by me in the Comprehensive Thread: "UNIQUE LANGUAGE TAMIL, HOW?"
Further on some other points raised by you, I have replied TO DAY under the same Comprehensive Thread for the convenience of all concerned.
Please criticise further if you have any more!!
- From: terminator (@ 61.95.160.65)
on: Mon Dec 1 01:24:11 EST 2003
//Telegu - Kogilam, Sanskrit - Kogila, Tamil - Kuyil, Hindi - Koyal. (for the Indian cuckoo bird) - you can see from this that Sanskrit even plagiarised form Telegu - a language that is older thatn Sanskrit//
First of all it is not "Kogila" but "Kokila". You cannot expect a Tamil to understand this difference becaus their language is ill-equipped.
The words "Kokila" and "Koel" have definite sanskrit roots.
Telugu and Tamil had roots to an original Dravida language. They have some common words and independent words too. But the fact is both borrowed heavily from Sanskrit. While the Telugu script and sounds were modified to suit the Sanskrit words, Tamil just corrupted those Sanskrit sounds.
The word Singapore is itself of Sanskrit origin.
Singa (Simha) + Pur (Pura).
And "Idiappam in Sambar" didn't know that. And I am sure he would claim that it is a tamil word.
Tamils like a slave-like life in Singapore. The localities in which Tamils live in Singapore is dirty and stinks. Try to improve the living conditions of your lot in Singapore instead of trying to prove defective language to be superior.
Now this emotionally wrecked Idiappam thinks I am over-emotional. Now do I put black paint on Hindi letters? No!! That is what emotional people do.
Go take a dip in the crystal clear waters of the "Cuvvam" river in the great city of "Chennai" worshipping the "Tamil Gods" Rajini, MGR and Kushboo (I must add here that none of the above mentioned people are of Tamil origin) chanting Tamil mantras (specially designed by the Tamil minister of TN).
Sanskrit is a very sophosticated language and Tamil can never hold a candle to Sanskrit.
- From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Mon Dec 1 03:51:32 EST 2003
Terminator said:
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//Telegu - Kogilam, Sanskrit - Kogila, Tamil - Kuyil, Hindi - Koyal. (for the Indian cuckoo bird) - you can see from this that Sanskrit even plagiarised form Telegu - a language that is older thatn Sanskrit//
First of all it is not "Kogila" but "Kokila". You cannot expect a Tamil to understand this difference becaus their language is ill-equipped.
//
Firstly there was never a rule set between us for the transliteration of Tamil, Sanskrit or other Indian characters to Roman. And therefore, I am free to use g or K, for 'K' - as I find it convenient - your picking on these transliteration problems, despite my advise to you to put it aside and focus on the issu, simply shows you are just being elusive - quite typical of many Sanskritists I have come across here in Forumhub.
So, terminator, how is 'k' sounded in 'Kogila' and 'kokila' - is it the same as the 'k' is 'know'?
Stop talking rubbish here, you have already made a fool enough of yourself!
//The words "Kokila" and "Koel" have definite sanskrit roots. //
Koel does not have a sanskrit root! It is Tamil, It does not exist in and Sanskrit lexicon, even Monier Williams - you can view Monier Williams online at:
http://www.uni-koeln.de/phil-fak/indologie/tamil/cap_search.html
So, if the Tamil word Kuyil can be extended for use in Hindi - when sanskritists claim that Sanskrit is the mother of Hindi - why did not Sanskrit have 'Koel' for the 'indian cuckoo'. Why did Sanskrit have to borrow Kogila from telegu -Very simple the NOMADIC Aryans never have seen a Cuckoo - therefore no name for it. Sanskrit did borrow 'kogila' from Telegu!
WHAT are the Sanskrit roots of 'Kokila' and 'Koel' - Terminator can't produce any - his is just good for just shooting his mouth off, here - without producing any evidences!
//Telugu and Tamil had roots to an original Dravida language. They have some common words and independent words too.
But the fact is both borrowed heavily from Sanskrit.//
Not as a necessity, more for luxury as Dr R. Caldwell the 'father' of Dravidian Linguistics said.
//While the Telugu script and sounds were modified to suit the Sanskrit words, Tamil just corrupted those Sanskrit sounds.//
When Sanskrit can mutilate native Prakrits and Dravidic tongues why should not Tamil mutilate Sanskrit words - Anyway, it was mostly Tamil words that were mutilated by Sanskritist - not the other way round!
//The word Singapore is itself of Sanskrit origin.
Singa (Simha) + Pur (Pura). //
Then why is it 'Singapore' and not 'Simhapura'?????? <----------- Answer that question.
What caused the lion to be called 'Simha' in Sanskrit <----------= Answer that question.
What are the related works to 'Simha' sharing the same root <----Answer that question.
//And "Idiappam in Sambar" didn't know that. And I am sure he would claim that it is a tamil word.//
I think, I have read enough Sanskrit and Sanskrit etymology to take you on Terminator, my boy! Note
the following points.
Lion
Tamil: Singam
Sanskrit Simha
It is 'Singapore', 'Singapura' and 'Singapur' in English, Malay and Tamil.
AND NOT 'Simhapore', 'Simhapura' and 'Simhapur.
Sir Stamford Raffles called the place Singapore, the Malay natives Singapura and
the Tamil traders Singapur.
The original word in in Vedic Languare for Lion has been 'Hari' . 'Hari' was
later twisted in Sanskrit to 'Harimaa' - a word used by Malay for Tiger. Monier
Williams (of The Sanskrit Lexicon fame)' says even 'Hari' is of doubtful
derivation. ie, probably from Dravidics.
Sanksrit has over 40 words for Lion - sometimes the same word can mean the
domestic cat!!!!!!! And each of the 40 words can have over 16 different,
unrelated meanings. - so defective is that Language Sanskrit.
'Simha' was adopted into Sanskrit from the Tamil 'Singam' when the 'Matsya
Purana' was written 7th Century AD. Matsya Purana is the sixteenth purana
(story) of a total 18. Narasimha avataram (incarnation of vishnu) is told in
Matsya Purana. Matysa Purana was COMPOSED in the SOUTH and not in the north.
Never was the Pure Tamil word 'Singam' used in Sanskrit compound words. The
sanskritised version 'Simha' was used. eg:
siMhagrIva - lion-necked
siMhendra- mighty lion
siMhazizu - lion's cub.
siMhavAha - riding on a lion
siMhaloman - lion's hair
siMhapragarjita - the lion's roar
siMhapragarjana - roaring like a lion
siMhanardin - roaring like a lion
siMhacarman - lion's skin
dharmasiMha - lion of virtue
purANasiMha- avatar Vishnu as man-lion
narasiMha - Vishnu as man-lion
pratisiMha - a hostile lion (story)
mRgasiMhaka - species of small lion
vAdisiMha - lion of disputants
siMhakarman - acting like a lion , achieving lion-like deeds
BUT in 'Singapore' - The Tamil word "Singam' is used.
Roots of the word Singam in Tamil:
sigai - flock of hair on the crown of the head - (Winslow's Tamil-Eng Dict)
Sigai Alangaaram - haircut- hair-do (still a term used today)
sikkam - flock of hair on the crown of the head - (Winslow's Tamil-Eng Dict)
That (animal) with a flock of hair on the crown of the head - Singam.
Even the name of language of Sri Lanka - 'Singhalese' - is from Tamil
'Singalam'. - The Singalese belief that they are from the Lion lineage of
Aryans.
'Singam' - references in Tamil Literature.
Kutrala Kuravankji - the hero and heroine of this drama are named 'Singa'
and 'Singi' respectively.
ElElasingan - a Tamil Vallal (philanthropist) was mentioned in Tamil said
to have lived during Thiruvalluvar's time.
Andal's Thirupaavai - 8th Century AD
'yasothai Ilam Singam'
'.......mannik-kitandu uRangum SIriya Singam.......'
Pur or Puram
puram is a Tamil word meaning a building or a tall structure - as in kOpuram
Root in Tamil of puram being;
pura - to protect, to keep
derivatives:
puram: tall, tall building,
puram: town, village, royal city,
puravalan: protector, guardian, king (he who guards the city)
kOpuram: the tall structure at the temple gates (kO = the Lord)
'Puram' references in Tamil Literature:
Madurai yanthan pura thinkan (Thiruvilaiyaadal puranam)
kOpuram kovil (kallaadam)
No Sanskrit , etymology, roots available in Monier Williams Sanskrit Dictionary
for the word 'Pura'
Conclusion:
Singam is a Tamil word plagarised by Sanskrit
Puram is a Tamil word plagarised by Sankstrit.
Singapura - Singapore - Singapur - are compound words of Tamil Origin
//Tamils like a slave-like life in Singapore. The localities in which Tamils live in Singapore is dirty and stinks. Try to improve the living conditions of your lot in Singapore instead of trying to prove defective language to be superior.
Now this emotionally wrecked Idiappam thinks I am over-emotional. Now do I put black paint on Hindi letters? No!! That is what emotional people do.
Go take a dip in the crystal clear waters of the "Cuvvam" river in the great city of "Chennai" worshipping the "Tamil Gods" Rajini, MGR and Kushboo (I must add here that none of the above mentioned people are of Tamil origin) chanting Tamil mantras (specially designed by the Tamil minister of TN). //
These irrelavances are simply a display of your sick emotions, that I wouldn't want to waste time on. But, may just forward it to the admin of Forumhub to consider a ban on you!
//Sanskrit is a very sophosticated language //
Sanskrit is a very defective lanauge - created by plunder upon native tonques!
//and Tamil can never hold a candle to Sanskrit.//
It never want to. YOu should be happy that Tamil stopped an inch short of flinging dung onto Sanskrit. Holding eh? Candle eh?
- From: terminator (@ 61.95.160.65)
on: Mon Dec 1 23:32:20 EST 2003
I only see "derviatives" of the word "Pura" in the long posting by Idiappam, but he never mentions the origin of the word "Pura". So the entire post consists of rubbish!
Who the heck is "Monier Williams" and why should I care about his "Sanskrit Dictionary". The degraded Tamil people always quote a international (white skinned) source to prove a point. Doesn't prove a damn thing.
////Go take a dip in the crystal clear waters of the "Cuvvam" river in the great city of "Chennai" worshipping the "Tamil Gods" Rajini, MGR and Kushboo (I must add here that none of the above mentioned people are of Tamil origin) chanting Tamil mantras (specially designed by the Tamil minister of TN). ////
Go ahead get me banned from the forum - but the statement is true - and truth always triunmphs!
Tamil can only fling dung at not only (Sanskrit but anything) because Tamil is a reservoir of dung.
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