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Thamizhnattin migundha popular writer Sujatha patri pesuvome |
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- From: tamizhan (@ cache-blr.ernet.in)
on: Tue Jul 18 08:24:48 EDT 2000
I think nakkiran has a point there. but tell how many writers really try to bring in science into there works. i still remember having read 'computer gramam' in 'kalki' if i'm right. he tried to inject a scientific dimension in his novels which others were afraid to do. i do agree that some of his writings tend to brag about his achievements, but the essays being published in vikatan is about his experiences in life. so when he mentions about learning guitar, paiting and the like he is just trying to tell us his experiences. (notice his comment that he never could play more than on tune on that instrument).
- From: thamizhan (@ cache-blr.ernet.in)
on: Tue Jul 18 08:26:57 EDT 2000
the comment in parenthesis should have read '..more than one tune..'
- From: Madhurabarathi (@ 203.199.224.180)
on: Wed Jul 19 03:21:58 EDT 2000
I am impressed. Lot of Scientific geniuses are discussing Sujatha in this thread. They think this thread is Christian Science Monitor or some such thing.
I, a lay man, admire him because millions of people like me have been initiated into the pleasures of science fiction and some amazing frontiers of science by Sujatha.
If you want to discuss which way a photon spins, may be Sujatha is the wrong address. Try offloading your expertise elsewhere.
When people decry him for Ganesh and Vasanth, they are not honest enough to say how he beautifully knitted folk and classical works of poetry into popular fiction. How many Kumudam readers have been lead to Kanayazhi by him!
Definitely popularity irks, extraordinary popularity irks extraordinarily!
- From: venkat (@ ccacc17.riken.go.jp)
on: Thu Jul 20 06:10:58 EDT 2000
Mathurabhatathi,
It was me who wrote in the name of nakkIran (two postings above). I write in many names in hub - no anonimity is sought as I know that my pc's ip address follows automatically next to what I call myself.
1. There was absolutely no intentions to make this thread CSM
2. I never commented about his fiction works here. In fact, I began by lauding his prose style. I also have opinions about his fiction works, including science fiction. - but reserve them for some other day.
3. The idea is not to unload my expertise about photon spin here. But this does not mean that whatever one writes in the name of science has to be taken for granted. As a person who knows a little science written by him (which happens to be misleading, unintentionally), as a working scientist and as someone who is anguised at the lack of scientific temperament in our society - I just could not keep my eyes wide shut about the unintentional misleading in his writing. In science there are no two truths and a good scientific practice demands one corrects his fellow (researcher, friend, parents,... whoever comes into contact with him) if his understanding is incorrect or inaccurate. I am sure as someone who respects science, sujatha himself would welcome this piece of info.
4. The idea here is not to criticise his scientific writings, it is from someone who has enjoyed a fair amount of his writings, seeking to elevate his levels. It was only the miserable feelign - that he always makes it touch and go and never tried to tell about the real science - he can, with his lucid prose and reasonable understanding. But he seems to be satisfied just informing what he has read. This is a case of expecting more.
5. Ganesh-vasanth might have been entertaining or even educating, but when a filth goes into that writing a true reader of him should have the courage to stand and point the wrong to him. Unfortunately, it is this adoloscent giggling at such vulgarity that encourages him to go more about it. This vicious cycle, then spins off something that does not befit a good writer's character.
6. We should never be thankful "for him to be honest (sic) enough to write what the character is, sacrificing his self and providing the reader what they want" - as someone here mentioned. My dear friend, extend your logic to porno writers and adult video makers - they are never called artists.
7. Mathurabharathi, he has many many fans like you, who takes whatever he writers per se. So he has more responsibility to be accurate, especially when he claims to make statements about truth (science). Such immense popularity should instill the fear to be accurate and maintain his intellectual honesty as a reciprocal courtesy to the fans who are devoted to him.
8. Yes, popularity irks - I do not have the shame in admitting it - provided it is achieved by trading honesty.
- From: Madhan (@ proxy2.fm.intel.com)
on: Thu Jul 20 11:42:03 EDT 2000
please excuse my digression...
venkat..
I heard from Kumar(Virginia Tech) that u have some extracts of Tolkaapiyam online.. can u gimme ur website address..
Thanks,
Madhan AR
- From: venkat (@ esper1900ts.riken.go.jp)
on: Thu Jul 20 20:12:41 EDT 2000
Sorry for misusing this thread, I have no other go as madhan has not given his email to reply directly.
I do not have thol online, but we do have some ilakkaNam books under auspices of Project Madurai. Send me a direct mail and I will guide you further.
- From: 'Thankful fan' again (@ 203.199.192.162)
on: Mon Jul 24 07:46:32 EDT 2000
venkat alias nakkIran:
Look at me can't you see who I am? :-)
it always pays to portray a character's vulgar thoughts accurately.
Think of the number of fans who get a kick out of it.
But such faithful rendering of ideas is not needed when you write popular science.
So what if that stupid photon did not know how to make a half-spin like an electron?
As far as people think that the writer knows lot of science, and the publisher is suitably impressed, then the author will be repeatedly asked to send in his "vaNNan kaNakku" for publication.
A great revolution has taken place in Biology, or Medicine, or Asrophysics, or Nuclear Science or
Econometrics, or Technology ask Sujaatha to write about it.
You should know how to cash your popularity.
And keep telling people that you learnt 'something" in n days while the rest of the world takes n months for that.
- From: Ayyappan A (@ 196.12.52.8)
on: Wed Jul 26 08:12:26 EDT 2000
See sujatha gave some outline about quantum computing.Ananda vikatan is not a science journal. "katrathum petrathum" is not aimed to Science scholors.that's all. why you people bother about it.
he wants to make some kind of awareness about science.that's all.if you want to specialist in that particular area ,you'll be going somewhere.
better we will open another thread for discussing Quantum computing,Molecular Computing,and DNA Computing.
- From: venkat (@ esper1900ts.riken.go.jp)
on: Wed Jul 26 20:09:44 EDT 2000
hello ayyappan,
Great!! People go at great length to defend. please read my posting again, No denial about the place, person or motive. But still, truth should be represented as truth. This is as much as saying that petrol can be made out of herbs (in commercial quantities) and claiming that I have kindled the spirit of the readers to know about petrol ::-))
Awareness can not be made by giving wrong ideas. it may enthuse someone to read about - to start with, but when he reads he finds the author wrong and that will dampen his spirit and his enthusiasm about whatever the author says in future. Got it? This is what I called as honesty as reciprocal courtesy.
Do you want to say that sujatha is beyond criticism or carry them elsewhere, here we sing his praise?
BTW, If you are really interested in discussing QC, MC, DNA C or even optical computing - open a thread we will do something useful.
- From: Ayyappan A. (@ 196.12.52.8)
on: Thu Jul 27 08:22:58 EDT 2000
Hello venkat
i agree with you on some extend.what my version is
sujatha indicate some new area.if i already know about that,then no problem.otherwise i'll goto library or web and extract additional information about that.based on that information i'll update my knowledge about that area.got it?
serious looker doesn't follow that article only.he take that is a indicated one not a final one.then what's the problem? how my spirit and enthusiam is affected in this issue?.i don't know.
- From: RAJKUMAR (@ 61.1.221.162)
on: Thu Jul 27 09:24:52 EDT 2000
HAI GUYS,
Sujatha is a all rounder,has tallents in all fields.that's his great adv.he knows music,politics,s/w,enough knowledge in all fields
his only draw back is he has very fewer no. of lady fans.if any body has anybody has any dought
pls. read his explantion regarding QUANTUNM in
ananda vikatan some two weeks before.Any aged person can understand it.
ok thank U.
- From: Naan Mahan Alla (@ 202.54.64.170)
on: Fri Aug 4 18:06:17 EDT 2000
I dont wish to brag ,but i do know sujatha quite well and my association with him has been for the last 26 years(yup thats my age).
I just like to make one point here ,i think a a talent like him who
1] is a writer 2] inventor of the voting machin 3] an ardent tamil technolgist 4].. 5]......
is not recieving the due attention that he deserves any day a guy like him deserves if not a bharath rathna tleast a padmabhushan,vibu.... types,not that he wants it ,but i think its better u honour such geniuses rather than a bunch of jokers who just seem to have the right 'connexion' in delhi.
p.s: a trivia about sujatha, well he began his career with the air force in delhi and not BEL as it s populary known!!!
coments pls
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- From: pazhamaippiththan (@ nas-39-112.stockton.navipath.net)
on: Sun Sep 3 05:54:38 EDT 2000
I am not surprised that Venkat is getting beat up by Sujatha fans who honestly believe that he "has tallents in all fields.that's his great adv.he knows music,politics,s/w,enough knowledge in all fields" as Rajkumar says.
Somebody else tried to analyze Lawyer Ganesh stories. The answer is quite trivial. The Lawyer Ganesh stories are based on Erle Stanley Gardner's Perry Mason novels. Lawyer Ganesh is quite obviously Perry Mason and his side kick Vasanth is but a pale imitation of detective Paul Drake. Vasanth's comments are loosely based on Drake. Anybody who has read the original Perry Mason would recognize this.
But it is unfair to judge Sujatha on his Perry Mason imitations. It is also unfair to judge his science and science fiction attempts; once again they are loosely based on Isacc Asimov and others. If you don't know English or did not have access to the original English sources, Sujatha's attempts are a passable substitution. Right or wrong, he managed to convey an excitement for science and computing to thousands of unsophisticated readers with his writings and made a positive impact on their lives. That is more than what most other writers - popular or "literary" can say about their writing. Obviously, a lot of this hero worship is a result of uncritical reading of a writer who never lived up to his true potential.
Once can say that his greatest contribution to Tamil fiction is that he brought true craftsmanship to it. Very few professional writers have studied fiction as much as he has. His experiments with the craft were done in plain sight - in popular magazines. Not all of them were successful, but he found that he had a talent. He turned out to be good story teller even though he had run out of original material a long time ago.
More than any other writer in the modern age, he is a true representative of the urban Tamil. His language is no longer Tamil, chaste or otherwise. Neither is it English - after all that remains an alien language. He has the ear for the language of the Tamil Yuppies (Tuppies? ;-)). In the 70's they spoke a version of creolized Tamil. In the '80s and '90s, the Tamil Creoles had a raised a generation that did not learn Tamil. This new "Son of Tuppies" speak not creole Tamil, they speak pidgin Tamil. They brag that that is enough for them to speak to the domestic help, while ogling at them, Vasanth style. They like to discuss Kural, Ahanaanuuru, etc., in Indish to demonstrate their intellect. America is their land of dreams. It is at the altar of American culture that they worship. They believe that Sujatha has the key to this magic kingdom. Thus, Sujatha is the head priest of this cult. That is why, his every pronouncement carries the weight of a divine commandment. That is why his followers are outraged that his wisdom can be challenged.
The joke though is that Sujatha does not take himself too seriously. Oh, he knows the power of his pen. But he is getting cynical by the day. His writings are getting tiresome and he needs to put some zest into them again. Sujatha refuses to grow up and be an old, wiseman. Why should he? If his immature babbling carries the weight of the saying of a rishi anyway.
So, in his quest to recapture the lost youth, he is upto his old tricks again. With his beloved sidekick J. by his side, he can once again describe "thiraNda mArbu" but takes his readers where no pop writer has taken before. So, his soft **** horse rides into the incest territory, huh? Kali muththip pOchu! ;-)). But hey, give the old man a break. He was always a delightful rascal and got away with it. He might get away with it again. In any event, he is not a pied piper. He only describes the society that he lives in. When public Tamil egroups lists show that Swingers and Incestuos lechers are anonymously exchanging notes on the internet, shouldn't the high priest of popular Tamil computing be right there describing their adventures?
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