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- From: Ramanitharan, K. (@ 129.81.216.120)
on: Thu Jun 17 21:07:15
Udhaya,
To answer to your para, I do never question, anyone's smartness even in the name of suggestion.
And, I agree with the whole statement of your,"Acknowledgement of a piece is key, if not why post it here, you can keep it in your draft book." And, do saw everyone's bombardments and prasies.
However, I differ from your opinion with the believe that the negative effect of back patting is overwhelming in //public forums?? (please, please do NOT pick the work THIS FORUM, when you read). I am talking about the general phenomenon, not one or two off-beat persons' virtues. After all, my point to Ramji was the samething what you have suggested with, "There are many poems of mine that have bombed by going unnoticed, or through tentative, or lukewarm reactions there's a message there to me."
Now on my 'pieces??' (Here, I am in a hurry to point out, -believe it or not- I just took as an example in my hand, NOT as a complaint).
First to the first reason you pointed out.
You are right. And, then, I see this reason of yours as a damaging one to the arguement you have given in your first para. If someone has responded on one poem (not on the poet), the poet has to respond only to the comment that was made on it.
The poet -critic relationship ends there.
Then when he reads a poem woven by the other, there he is a critique, not a poet. He has his right to comment, if he likes or find anything that has to be pointed out to the poet... or else, he has to move to the next work (post). That is the way, I believe and act.. (However, when I do my comments, I send them directly to the writers, if I know their e-mails... I do not want to dump the forum with my 'I like this.. and I found a thorn in this place of your rose.' stuff.)
For your second reason, I never pointed out anyone personally in my previous mail. May be my phrase, 'the same people' was my pit by myself. No, Udhaya, I did not make my comment after doing a database query with every name here (this thread) and there (the other). Now, to make it clear why whatever the reasons I could think for no response, I would not have come up this accusation... I can simply say onething.
I never sent any comment to anyone on their works in English only becasue I never fully comprehended the works (to the matter of fact, I can't for the same reason what you have given here). I do understand and experience this fact well, and I can understand why many of the forum members do not comment on what I send.
Again, I wish if you understand that I am not complaining on the commenting on my posts.
Once I have started to post in tamil.Net in early '97s, I used to check my mail very often to see how the people reacted for my posts. However, in the mid of that year, I understood what I have said to Ramji: "Don't care about others' opinions, unless you think theirs are genuine and inevitable for your growth." Afetr all, this is one of the few concepts that I believe & preach, and, at the time put into practice. ;-))
I thought, Ramji got depressed that most of the people are not responding on anything, hence I tried to give a moral boost.
That's all (though still I believe what I pointed out is right for a person, who may find my shoes well fit to him). I rest my case and RUN to home;-))
However,
- From: gem (@ wellpoint-bh.bluecrossca.com)
on: Thu Jun 17 21:39:35
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- From: vj (@ bound.ecn.purdue.edu) on: Thu Jun 17 22:24:56
To add, also the fact that a poem got no response need not suggest it 'bombed'.. sometimes I am just not in the frame of mind to like poetry of that ilk , essentially it has to do nothing with the poet's attempt.. so a lot of personal preferences are at play here.. ultimately you are your only critic and even that is suspect!
- From: Ramanitharan, K. (@ 129.81.216.120) on: Thu Jun 17 22:26:15
Gem,
If I am not mistaking you,
two short notes to you.
1. (To my knowledge), no fued is going on but only expressing our points of views.
2. If you have not done it purposely, please do not twist what I posted out of context.
I tried to connect between what the use of proofreading my post when my English knowledge has poor standard between we can not expect something in the spoon if nothing is in the pot.
You are trying make another impression that I never intented.
If you have misunderstood my phrase, I make this post to clear to you..before others pick up and raise their brows towards me.
If I am trying to fit your accidential comment-hat on my ego-head, I apologize.
(According to my friends, I made such blunders more than once. I am truely sorry in such case).
Thanks.
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- From: Ramji (@ 205.177.170.79) on: Fri Jun 18 09:48:00
vj,Udhaya, Ramanitharan,Gem:
Thanks for sharing your perspectives here. I personally enjoy ( and benefit from) this kind of discussion. Whenever I reflect, I always realize that what I consider as mythoughts, ideas and perspectives include what I got from others with whom I had once differed. I would still like to see the viewpoints of the other friends in this forum. I am confident that at the end we, as adults, can leave the emotional conflicts behind and carry with us the different perspectives to chew on.
Ramnitharan, I do fondly remember your personal email to me about my first story.
- From: Ramji (@ 205.177.170.79) on: Fri Jun 18 10:18:52
I posted in haste without adding what I wanted to say at the end:
As of now, I am personally in need of external feedback and look for it. I also firmly believe that it is so with the majority of humanity. Also, not caring for others' opinions is not the same as not being in need of them.
Thanks again.
- From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Fri Jun 18 12:53:15
gem,
There's no feud going on here, believe me, if there was you will know it from far, I don't fight quietly. We're merely setting things straight airing our differences, which is a lot healthier than cloaking it under fake camaraderie. I loved your emotional poem, by the way, the expressions were fetching, maybe I'll have to pi** you off from time to time to get such an outpour.
Ramani,
If someone has responded on one poem (not on the poet), the poet has to respond only to the comment that was made on it. The poet -critic relationship ends there. Then when he reads a poem woven by the other, there he is a critique, not a poet. He has his right to comment, if he likes or
find anything that has to be pointed out to the poet... or else, he has to move to the next work (post). That is the way, I believe and act.. (However, when I do my comments, I send them directly to the writers, if I know their e-mails... I do not want to dump the forum with my 'I like this.. and I found a thorn in this place of your rose.' stuff.)
Major differences I have with your above sentiment. See, this whole thread flourishes under the very spirit of peer review where poets critique each other along with comments by those who may not necessarily be poets. If this is not your policy then you're being antithetic to this thread. To preserve the integrity of this thread you need to function in it accordingly. If you want to be a post-only poet and a read-only participant then your goal is entirely different from what I'm trying to foster here. This may seem like asking too much but think about it. Does one join a chat room to stay mute? Does one join a parade to stand still?
You are probably better off starting a poetry thread where interaction is optional, where posts are put up as if in a notice board but I would hate for this thread to be subverted to that end. For me, the best thing about having a poetry website is the interaction. You may not intend to be contemptuous towards others ' works, but as a participating poet withholding his comments you're giving off vibes of contempt. And that brings in a cold, indifferent draft into a place that I've worked hard on keeping warm and friendly.
- From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Fri Jun 18 13:06:32
- From: vj (@ bound.ecn.purdue.edu) on: Thu Jun 17 22:24:56
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