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- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp74.buffnet.net)
on: Thu Sep 28 17:49:03 EDT 2000
It certainly does, but it also raises a question.
There is no doubt that the Brinda-Mukta rendition begins with what you point out is the actually the anupallavi line ! Perhaps Lakshman can sort it out.
Thanks very much for your help, Vinod.
- From: Lakshman (@ kitchener-ppp202148.sympatico.ca)
on: Thu Sep 28 19:44:19 EDT 2000
Nado:
Vinod id quite correct about the Kshetragna pada. Here is part of the song from SSP.
pallavi: vadarakapOvE evADEla vacci nI vaddurAdadanavE kUDiyuNTimi
anupallavi: adi okka yugamu vErE janmami ippuDu ataDevvarO nEnevarO cheliyarO
caraNam 1: iccu niccalu nEdEva valapR kAnidEdAva bhAmarO sagunamulaDicci
nI rEpai nAvaccu nanucu teruvugidi muvvagOpAccuna ni nAmalu jUcivE sAluDu vaccu nanu......
Sometimes songs are started with the anupallavi and them moves on to the pallavi.
Examples are: Tyagaraja's Athana song starts with Balakanakamaya... which is actually the anupallavi. Ela ni dayaradu is the pallavi. So is the Kharaharapriya song Chitraratnamaya sheshsdalpamandu... which is the anupallavi and Mitri bhagyame bhagyamu which is the pallavi.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp32.buffnet.net)
on: Fri Sep 29 05:56:32 EDT 2000
>>> Perhaps Lakshman can sort it out <<<
Yes, he certainly can and he did !
Thanks again, Lakshman and Vinod.
- From: Ramaprasad (@ 204.154.176.49)
on: Fri Sep 29 10:16:37 EDT 2000
Many people start the saramathi mOKshamu galadA
also at the anupallavi sAkskshatkAramu sadbhakti
-Ramaprasad
- From: narayanan (@ 194.193.249.33)
on: Fri Sep 29 11:07:57 EDT 2000
Another krithis is "sallare" in Ahiri . People usually start this with Sommaina....the anupallavi
- From: ashlesha (@ ml28417.lib.umt.edu)
on: Fri Sep 29 11:31:37 EDT 2000
I tried making out the lyrics to the following song from Sowmya's concert cybercast at eshakti.com. Many of the words seem unclear. Was wondering whether anyone could proofread them. Also, it will be interesting to know the name of the composer of the song.
Ragam: Chakravaham?/vegavahini? tALa: rUpakam
p. IShanai inda Ezhaikiranga innum tAmadamA? - jaga - samAna ragitarAna! -
a. ShRI cidambara vAsanE - jagadIShanai - kanakasabEShanai - naTarAjanai
c. IyarungoDu manida nIndRAy eDutta piRAvi kaLavumillaiyE
pOyvillAmal UnluRakatRRi kuRaikkum kavalai pozhiya villayE
mAya maNNilum ponnilum peNnilum valarum AShai azhiya villayE
kAyumaralil tuDarunDAl mana kalakka matRRirukka vazhiyumillaiyE
(madhyama kAlam)
kAmanai eRitta vizhiyum - kAlanai uDaitta kaNalum
sOmanai aRinda ?????? - sundara naDamiDum ****tapada
Thanks in advance.
- From: Vinod Menon (@ wwwgate2.motorola.com)
on: Fri Sep 29 11:50:50 EDT 2000
Glad I was of some help! When padams are used in in Bharatanatyam, often the anupallavi is sung first with the pallavi as a punchline because the story line and depiction flows better.
In the case of the "vadaraka" padam, the heroine talks to her friend and I think the approximate translation of the anupallavi talks about how she and her lord have grown apart and times have changed. The pallavi I believe says (to the friend)"Stop this unnecessary talk, and go tell him that I dont want to see him."[him refers to the repentant lord of hers who is back to see her]
well..effectively the heroine is saying [when the anupallavi is sung first] that:
That was a different time
My Lord and I have grown apart
Stop this unecessary talk
Go tell him that I dont want to see him.
The context is set with the friend coming to the heroine with the news that her repentant lord has arrived. In this padam, the mood is not anger but a quiet realization that she (the heroine) does not want to be with her lord again.
Makes "sense" and a good flow when visualized.
Of course, please accept my apologies in advance for any faulty translation!! I repeat what I have heard/observed!!
-Vinod
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp7907.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Fri Sep 29 12:46:10 EDT 2000
ashlesha:
The kriti you have posted is by Papanasham Shivan. You can find the lyrics of all of Shivan's kritis at: http://kumar.bse.vt.edu/abirami/sivan.html
- From: Nadopasaka (@ adppp15.buffnet.net)
on: Fri Sep 29 16:00:09 EDT 2000
Vinod, I must confess a new appreciation for the Brinda-Mukta rendition of the Ksetragna Kamboji, after reading your careful explanation. Thanks very much.
While there is no doubt that 'naattuvanaars' and other dance experts , in their wisdom, choose suitable padams to depict, the reverse effect of dance on the Carnatic vaaggeyakaaras is not often stressed. Of course one may argue that Tyagaraja, MD etc. were in a perpetual trance, a dance of the spirit.
MDR is a recent example who is supposed to have spent much time at Kalaksetra and his interpretations are always satisfying. I understand for example that MDikshitar may have had dance influence in Raamanaatham Bhajeham-Pantuvarali and possibly also Subramanyaaya Namaste.
It is not known what specific dance components this Ksetragna may have professed (if any), but clearly more recent skilled padam composers like DharmapuriS were steeped in those aspects.
- From: Vinod Menon (@ wwwgate2.motorola.com)
on: Fri Sep 29 17:03:07 EDT 2000
Lots of Kshetragna padams are used in dance. They are usually considered pretty "heavy" in the sense that they offer a lot of scope for creative improvisation. Smt. Kalanidhi Narayanan teaches a LOT of them to her students.
I am actually looking for a recording of the "Rama Rama" composition in Bhairavi by Kshetragna. It apparently has a rather different context since it could be (or in fact IS) from the viewpoint of Krishna (who is seperated from his beloved) who wonders how Rama could bear the seperation from Sita when she was abducted and taken to the Ashoka Vanam. This is again hearsay - I am not absolutely sure. But regardless, I would appreciate if someone can either send me a recording or direct me to some commercial recording or website that might have a recording of this piece.
Thanks
Vinod.
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp7909.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Fri Sep 29 17:49:20 EDT 2000
Vinod:
There is a commercial recording of the Kshetragna pada Rama rama in Bhairavi by Nirmala Sundararajan and Subhashini Parthasarathy. It is a Sangeetha cassette # 6ECDB 273. It contains Javalis and padas.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ adppp20.buffnet.net)
on: Sun Oct 1 15:54:10 EDT 2000
Vinod : re >>> if someone can either send me a recording <<<
Perhaps you can post a mailbox number or other postal address. I also just got hold of a bunch of javalis (some by the great DharmapuriS) by a TRSubramanian.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aeppp35.buffnet.net)
on: Sun Oct 1 19:50:17 EDT 2000
Lakshman, whose kriti in Naata begins something like 'shri Gyaanaanantara aashrayaamyaham, jalajaksha...'. Is it Pallavi sesha Iyer ? Thanks.
- From: narayanan (@ 194.193.249.33)
on: Mon Oct 2 05:00:47 EDT 2000
Nado:
It is "Sri Jalantharam aasrayamyaham Jalajaksha" in Gambeera Nattai, a composition of Jayachamraja Wodeyar
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp31.buffnet.net)
on: Mon Oct 2 05:50:43 EDT 2000
Thanks, Narayanan. I heard MSanth and couldn't make it out. It is a very fine kriti with a lot of MD style words. MSanth does very well with it too.
- From: Vinod Menon (@ wwwgate31.motorola.com)
on: Mon Oct 2 10:55:48 EDT 2000
Thanks for offering to send me the recordings. Please e-mail me at your convenience at anuragmenon@hotmail.com and I can send you my postal address. I guess I am a little paranoid about posting a mailing address on an open forum!! Dealing with a lot of junk mail already!!!
And the Gambeera Nattai Krithi - I have a recording of Sudha Raghunathan singing it. She has sung a nice chittaswaram with it and kalpanaswarams at "gambheera Natya"..
Thanks a ton..
Vinod.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ afppp16.buffnet.net)
on: Mon Oct 2 17:12:45 EDT 2000
Vinod, I have some problems as well. Let me see how best to do this. Are you in Nocal cities, say LosAltos, LosGatos, SF, or SanDiego ?
- From: Vinod Menon (@ wwwgate31.motorola.com)
on: Tue Oct 3 14:22:40 EDT 2000
No, I do not. I am in the Chicago area. I think its worth getting junk mail if I can get some great carnatic recordings!! Here is my address..
1783 Stonehedge Ct
Wheeling, IL-60090.
Let me know..
Thanks,
Vinod.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aippp35.buffnet.net)
on: Tue Oct 3 14:54:28 EDT 2000
Vinod, OK ! In any case Unabomber is behind bars ! (somewhat more violent than spam ) Will be in touch.
- From: Vinod Menon (@ wwwgate32.motorola.com)
on: Wed Oct 4 12:00:58 EDT 2000
Dont lull me into a false sense of security there!!!:-)!! will await further communication from you! If it involves showing up at a desolate place dressed in a long coat with a red rose for identification - count me out!!! :-))!!
Anyway, while I am here I thought I will post another query. It is about Swathi Thirunaal's Ragamalika-Rupakam composition - "Pannagendra Shayana."
I have the lyrics and a recording of it. What I am looking for is a translation [as detailed as possible, but a rough estimate for startes will also do] of the composition.
I will greatly appreciate any help with it.
Thanks,
Vinod.
- From: Vinod Menon (@ wwwgate32.motorola.com)
on: Wed Oct 4 12:31:01 EDT 2000
Addendum to previous post:
All that I do know about the meaning of the composition is that it consists of eight Charanams, which desscribes,in order, the different moods of the forlorn Nayika beginning from dusk to dawn. That sort of explains why it ends in Bhoopalam I guess. Hope that helps
- From: Vinod (@ wwwgate32.motorola.com)
on: Wed Oct 4 12:32:04 EDT 2000
Excuse the typos in the previous post!
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