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The last time in India, I bought a cassette from RPG-Marga-Milestones series from Karaikudi Mani, Sruthi Laya Vol 1.
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- From: DR Pramodh (@ spider-ta078.proxy.aol.com)
on: Sun Dec 5 12:54:12
vishnuramprasad,
what about mannargudi easwaran, srimushnam ,tk murthy and kamalakar rao.are they not stalwarts?
i feel that mridangam artists now tend to override
ghatam.previously artists like palghat would stop subtly during the initial phase of anupallavito let the ghatam come into prminence and then gracetully take over later.we dont see such creativity at all nowadays
- From: Raju (@ spider-to074.proxy.aol.com)
on: Fri Dec 10 15:52:05
Visnuprasad
How about T.V.Gopalakrishnan? Ramanathapuram
M.N.Gandaswamy, Mavelikara Krishnan Kutty Nair???
- From: Mani (@ spider-wn083.proxy.aol.com)
on: Sat Dec 11 14:02:15
My dad had the honor to play the harmonium with K.J. Yesudas, along with Mavelikara Krishnankutty Nair......:-)
- From: P. Radhakrishnan (@ spider-tk052.proxy.aol.com)
on: Sun Jun 4 07:52:07
HellO Mridangam Fans,
In my opinion, Palghat Mani Iyer is the best of all. He is the one who accorded Mridangam the status that it deserves in carnatic music. He also passed on his legacy to a number of great mridangam players, the best among them is Palghat Raghu. Like Mani Iyer, his thoppi is simply fabulous. developed a unique style combining the Mani Iyer and Subramaniam Pillai Schools. His accompaniments to musicians are marvellous. His tani avartanams are simply thrilling to hear. Each time it is diferent.
Mridangam is not just simply an accompaniment, but is supposed to enhance the concert and inspire the main artist.
- From: M.BALASUBRAMONIAM (@ 203.197.152.114)
on: Sun Jul 2 02:14:37 EDT 2000
Mridhangam greats - Mridhangam Maestros - What is the difference . NO ONE COULD EVER THINK OF COMPARING PALAKKAD MANI IYER TO ANY OTHER MRIDANGA VIDWANS . MANI IYER SHOULD BE ADDRESSED AS NANDIKESWAHRA THE ONLY ONE MRIDANGAM GIANT . ALL OTHER SISHYAS WHO FOLLOWS THE SAME BHANI CANNOT BE TERMED AS GREATS . THEY ARE ALL VIDWANS OF THEIR TIME AND PLACE .
- From: M.Easwaran (@ 203.197.152.114)
on: Sun Jul 2 02:32:02 EDT 2000
Mridhangam the South Indian Percussion instrument is now very much popular and has been adopted by European Jazz Musicians . Especially Konokkol has been finding great place among the European audience . I have information that in the 1999 BERLIN JAZZ FESTIVAL one of the reputed Mridhanga Vidwan from the State of Kerala Muthuswamy Balasubramoniam had the great honour to perform with the Jazz solists like Albert Mangelsdorf the Trombone maestro from Germany and Saxophonist Chico Freeman along with the percussionists from Switzerland , Africa and Iran . The composition of Muthuswamy Balasubramoniam titled TRIPTI which means satisfaction was a thrilling experience for the great audience of Berlin . IS MUTHUSWAMY BALASUBRAMONIAM has been really recognized by the Government of India , The Sangeetha Nataka Akademi and other cultural organisations. According to me the great efforts taken by Mr. Bala to popularise the South Indian Classical Percussion instrument Mridhangam among the European listners and Foreign community to be taken into consideration . I know that he is the only one South Indian Mridhangam player who has been greatly supported by Foreign Cultural foundations through out the world .
- From: Dr.M.N.Moorthy (@ 203.197.152.114)
on: Sun Jul 2 02:51:24 EDT 2000
The citation of Mr. Easwaran regarding Konnokkol and its influence among the Foreign listners is really interesting to note . It is true that Konokkol is the oldest traditional method of rendering cholkettus which is usually played in mridhangam . The same methodology is adoptoed for Nattuvangam . But the presentation method differs.
But it is really a pity that the traditional style of Konnokol renedering is being misused by Foreign musicians . I have heard CD's of Western musicians in which they try to push in Konnokkol along with the Western stuff . It should be noted that if the presentation is not proper ,the highest traditional system of rendering loses its greatness. In Indian Hindi and tamil film music the singers are trying to adopt Konnokol in the african rap system . should this be encouraged?
Only a traditional mridhangam artist will be able to present Konnokol in the proper manner and tradition. In the interest of peserving the Knokol tradition the mixing different traditions together is to be stopped. I will try to get information of Mr. Bala from available sources.
- From: Subramaniam (@ trill.wellsfargo.com)
on: Thu Jul 13 15:35:49 EDT 2000
Difference between Mridangists -
To state the fact that "NO ONE COULD EVER THINK OF COMPARING PALAKKAD MANI IYER TO ANY OTHER MRIDANGA VIDWANS " is more a fanatic approach, (with all due respects to Mani Iyer) considering the fact that there were greats like Pazhani Subrmania Pillai, Manpoondia Pillai, of whom we have not heard much...
The evolution of "Gumki" in Mridangam should be attributed to none other than Pazhani.
Pazhani revolutionized playing Tishrams, Khandams and Mishrams.
To my knowledge Pazhani is the first person to have played Tishrams in patterns like 7&5, 8*3, etc., which was later taken by other Mridangam vidwans like Palghat Raghu, Karaikudi Mani etc.
His Khandam Korappu's were amazing too.
As for his sishyas are greats like Tiruchy Sankaran, Dandamudi RamMohan Rao, Kandaswamy, Guruvayoor Dorai, just to name a few...
Subramaniam
- From: nick (@ host.sumitomomarine.co.uk)
on: Thu Jul 20 08:47:02 EDT 2000
"the mixing different traditions together is to be stopped."....
And just how do propose to do that? You might just as well say that piano music other than classical western should be banned.
You may not like the result (I don't like most 'Fusion' music I hear), but 'must be stopped' ?
Come off it.
- From: nick (@ host.sumitomomarine.co.uk)
on: Fri Jul 21 11:55:51 EDT 2000
...But, on the subject of 'Fusion' music:
I saw a performance last week given by a vocalist (his name might have been S Mahadeven) a Jazz pianist, bass guitarist and Sivamani on drums. All Indians from India, but lots of musical style mixing.
I enjoyed Sivamani's drumming (which I had gone to see) but, generally I did not enjoy the performance. It felt like bolting together things that didn't fit properly: the piano I found irritating and the guitar irrelevant.
*My most interesting experience was to realise how important to me songs are!! I say this because the performance consisted of the more jazzy bits of carnatic music, swara singing, konakol, but no songs. It was like a flaky pastry pie topping with no meat (very Western and non-vegetarian analogy!). For this personal insight it was an invaluable experience.
In fairness I would say that others (including Gita who often posts around here) enjoyed it very much -- though she did agree with my comments on the content.
*I should add that I do not understand any of the languages in which these songs are written.
- From: suhas (@ 203.197.75.99)
on: Sat Jul 22 02:23:35 EDT 2000
Nick I think you saw a Group comprising of
Shankar Mahadevan
Karl Peters
Loius Banks
Sivamani
Personally I dont enjoy their music because though it occasionally provides "enjoyment" it provides no "experience".
- From: Radhika Murthy (@ 61.1.242.220)
on: Sat Jul 22 13:11:44 EDT 2000
The Fusion type of Music presentation now becoming popular but loosing its musical values are not enjoyed by real music lovers. Enjoyment and experience is really different. But the organisers are trying to provide enjoyment to the audience who do not have musical ears . Without musical ears it is very hard to get experience.SIVA MANI the gifted and talented percussionist now a days adopting the western drumming style in the Indian percussion instrument. Siva mani should really stick on to the Indian stuff and traditional playing . TRADITION, CULTURE AND STYLE OF PRESENTATION TO BE STRICTLY FOLLOWED BY ALL MUSICIANS. I may also add that being an Indian who is supposed to preserve Indian Tradition and Culture should not go for the dressing style of an African Drummer.
- From: nick (@ s164.pool.pm3-tele-1.cix.co.uk)
on: Tue Jul 25 06:10:04 EDT 2000
Suhas... Exactly right.
Radhika Murthy... Maybe it takes a particular kind of 'ear' to listen to and love classical [carnatic] music. Even in my ignorance I certainly have [acquired] this 'ear' as I love it very much. For instance after an evening of listening to film music (my girlfriend is not a lover of classical music) listening to classical music is like breathing fresh air again. But surely this does not invalidate other music forms? Surely we should judge (if judge we must) each performance on its own merit, or on how it affects us individually. I saw some very jazzy 'carnatic' music last weekend: 'Chandru's Strings of India'.
Chandru(chekar) I know has played classical, film, pop, all kinds of music. I really enjoyed it.
Why not praise Shivamani for being a drummer who understands classical percussion and uses this to enhance his performance and to enable him to play with classical musicians?
- From: R.Subramaniam (@ wormhole.wellsfargo.com)
on: Tue Jul 25 13:18:01 EDT 2000
Nick is pretty right here. SIVA MANI, as a drummer, has used his classical skills to a very good extent in his drumming... And whats exactly is wrong with that? MAni Iyer used 'Chendai' notes in his playing. Pazhani used Tavil sollus too.
In the Hindi film Dil Se, for the song Jiya Jale, SIVA MANI plays a small khandam piece and a tishram for that piece with amazing effect. Its left to us Mridangists to explain to others what exactly is he doing there...How many Mridangists who play for cinema songs actually do that?
Subramaniam
- From: Siva (@ 202.241.231.2)
on: Wed Jul 26 01:56:03 EDT 2000
Subramaniam:
You are absolutely right. I am not sure if the artists' judgement should be from personal traits like dressing etc but the way they play. Sivamani is an excellent drummer and has excellent knowledge of the classical style and has used it to telling effect when handling the western instruments.
The other person who comes to my mind is Madurai Cheena Kutti who has played in Tamil Cinema for a lot of songs.
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