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- From: Nadopasaka (@ ahppp21.buffnet.net)
on: Fri Mar 10 12:37:22 EST 2000
I totally agree !
Maybe you could put all compositions of any one or two ragas each day, to ease logistics (just my opinion). Perhaps , if possible some sense of what each might be like, since it seems we are destined never to hear most of them.
'Songs unheard are sweeter by far !!... '
- From: Lakshman (@ hse-kit-ppp38897.sympatico.ca)
on: Fri Mar 10 12:53:58 EST 2000
I don't know about you all, but anything that I post here needs to be typed by me. I have not found a way to attach files (as one does with email) to a messgae posted on the thread. Is there such a thing? It would make it easier.
- From: Isai Rasigai (@ columbo.lifeworks.com)
on: Fri Mar 10 12:57:53 EST 2000
lakshman: How about copy and paste!!!!! my fav technique!!
Or you could e-mail to interested people
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp7771.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Fri Mar 10 13:25:58 EST 2000
Nadopasana:
I am going to try what isai rasigai has suggested and try to paste the kriti that you had once asked for and see if I succeed. Here goes!
kaDaikkaN vaittennai. rAgA: bEgaDA. tripuTa tALA. Composer: Ramasvami Shivan
pallavi: kaDaikkaN vaittennai ALammA gauri rAjarAjEshvari karuNAkari shivashankari (kaDaikkaN)
anupallavi: uDaikkum tEn malar pozhil shuzh (jagadamba) umbargal ulagum
pugazh mukhavayal uLankuLirndilangu mangaLam tarum (kaDaikkan)
caraNam 1: caNDikai vibhUti kANEn kaLittun anbaraip-pENEn shaNDai vAdu sheyya nANEn tAyE
Or gati kANEn kaNDanaiyoDu daNDanai shyumoru caNDanai edir paNDanai mayiDanai
muNDanai uyir uNDanai karunayamudam pozhindidam perum padam tarum (kaDaikkaN)
2: tanjamenbOr tamai nOkki sarva bhAgyamum uNDAkki cancalam yAvaiyum
pOkki tAngumAi pErinbam tEkki kanjamukhi niranjani varu bhavabhanjani
janaranjani aDiyavar nenjinil ninaiyum jananiyurugi nirantaram purandaran karam tozhum (kaDaikkaN)
3: santatam pugazhndu guhadAsan manattanbu migha vandanai shei marakatavalliyE
uLamuruga vandari ayanum darishanai puriyum tripurasundari kumari nirantari
varakandari anudinam agat-tirundilangi mangaLam tarum (kaDaikkaN)
Wow it worked!
- From: nandini (@ 1cust132.tnt9.charlotte.nc.da.uu.net)
on: Fri Mar 10 15:14:15 EST 2000
lakshman....you are incredible.....its a great help to singers like me.....i learn a lot from all you guys!
keep Pasting!!!
- From: nandini (@ 1cust132.tnt9.charlotte.nc.da.uu.net)
on: Fri Mar 10 15:16:21 EST 2000
nado:
Why is the 'swarajathi', especially kamaakshi and maybe a couple of others so exalted ? Shouldn't it be 'easier' to digest no offense, nandini ?
>>none taken! i think i agree with isairasigai on this.......it could have been taught in a month.....but my teacher stuck with just one line for nearly 3/4 classes.....
And this really helps in grasping the song as well as the raagam it is in.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp49.buffnet.net)
on: Fri Mar 10 21:09:20 EST 2000
I believe Sambamurty suggests that the 'svarajati' borrows elements from dance. Can these be related to 'nadai' or gait. Is MDR's style related to this dance background ?
Lakshman thanks for the Begada, now I can properly sing along with KVN !
Although we all bask happily in the glow of the great vaggeyakaras, new prayogas and sangatis of modern composers and their own musical originality is revealed when you can roll the words around for yourself. If I am not mistaken, there is a nice poetic touch by RShivan too, 'glance at me out of the corner of your eye...= kadaikkan..' Those who know please correct.
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp2569.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Sat Mar 11 15:57:28 EST 2000
Today's kritis in rare ragas.
Oniyum ennai pada-Aimmukhan-T/Adi-T.A.Sambandamurti-j21
Koshala antargata-Ayodhya-Adi-R.Chandrashekhariah-J71
Karudiduven muruga namam-Balachandrika-Rupaka-Kovai Subri-j22
Punya charitra kirtanam-Bandhuvarali-Adi-C.S.Shivaramakrishna Bhagavatar-j45
Mahishasura mardini-Bhadratodi-Adi-C.Rangiah-J8
Punyam kim vipanyam-Bhagavatapriya-Adi-C.S.Shivaramakrishna Bhagavatar-j22
Purna purushottamam bhaje-Bhagavataranjana-Adi-C.S.Shivaramakrishna Bhagavatar-j64
Muni samstutam vande-Bhagavatpriya-Adi-C.S.Shivaramakrishna Bhagavatar-j22
Sheri irutkanil tunai-Bhagyashabari-Adi-Periasami Tooran-J10
Vinayakam bhajeham-Bhaktapriya-Rupaka-R.K.Suryanarayana-j16
- From: Isai Rasigai (@ dialup-63.210.159.135.boston1.level3.net)
on: Sat Mar 11 17:58:13 EST 2000
Excellent work Lakshman - Keep up the good work - I have never heard of any of those ragas. Thanks
- From: Isai Rasigai (@ dialup-63.210.159.135.boston1.level3.net)
on: Sat Mar 11 17:59:16 EST 2000
How is Bhanduvarali different from Panthuvarali? Any ideas?
- From: Nadopasaka (@ ahppp36.buffnet.net)
on: Sat Mar 11 18:10:46 EST 2000
It appears that one condition of rarity of a raga is that there is only one kriti in it.
Is there any such where two composers have kritis in the same rare raga ? alternately, is there a rare raga with two or more kritis by the same composer, maybe due to different talams ?
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp7766.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Sun Mar 12 07:38:22 EST 2000
isai rasigai:
Bandhuvarali is a janya of mela 45 (Shubhapantuvarali) and the scale is: S M2 S N3 D1 P M2; D1 M2 G2 R1 S.
Nadopasaka:
C.S.Shivaramakrishna Bhagavatar has composed a second kriti in the raga Bhagavatapriya. Sada hanuma dashritam in Adi tala.
Here is another short list of kritis in rare ragas.
Bhajare mohana-Bhanuchandrika-Rupaka-Jayachamaraja Wadiar-j8
Nijada nija ninante-Bhanudhanyasi-K/Chapu-H.Yoganarasimham-j45
Ummai pol attai eduttu-Bhanugirvani-Adi-Marimutta Pillai-J45
Enru tan muruga-Bhanumanjari-Adi-Kovai Subri-J34
Bhanu priyasani-Bhanupriya-Adi-Alattur Vijayakumar
Bharati devim-Bharati-Adi-Bangalore S,Mukund-j19
Are shrirangapura nivasa (g)-Bhashini-Triputa-Govindacharya-j44
Nandabala he gopala-Bhatiyar-Eka-Kamala Krishnamurti
Daya judaga rada-Bhavini-Adi-Spencer R.Venugopal-j15
Samana rahite lalite-Bhavya-Rupaka-Spencer R.Venugopal
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aippp17.buffnet.net)
on: Sun Mar 12 11:24:31 EST 2000
Thanks Lakshman
No doubt CSS Bhagavatar liked Bhagavatapriya ! Is there a raga called ShubhaBandhuvarali ? Based on your complete lists, are the rare ragas generally grouped in the 1-36 suddha ma melas ? Doesn't seem like it from the ones you have posted so far ?
Thanks again.
- From: Lakshman (@ hse-kit-ppp38861.sympatico.ca)
on: Sun Mar 12 11:57:01 EST 2000
Nadopasaka:
There is no raga called Shubhabsndhuvarali, at least not that I know of.
Of the 32800 odd total entries 6880 are mela raga kritis, 230 are kritis for which the raga janya is not known. an overwhelming 22100 kritis are janyas of the first 36 melas and only about 6880 are from the pratimadhyama melas.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aippp17.buffnet.net)
on: Sun Mar 12 12:13:00 EST 2000
Lakshman
That is the most important statistic I have heard this week next to the Dow and Nasdaq !!!
Is there a historical record , I mean, if this question was asked a 100 years ago etc. how would the numbers differ ?
It seems like the suddha-ma melas hold a timeless fascination.
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp7772.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Tue Mar 14 09:09:55 EST 2000
Today's rare raga compositions:
Pahi shri rajarajeshvari-Bhogavasanta-Triputa-Jayachamaraja Wadiar-j51
Are surasannuta-Bhogi-Triputa-Govindacharya-j7
Natajana palini-Bhogishvari-Adi-N.S.Ramachandran-J64
Eduta nunnavu vide-Bhujangini-Annamacharya-j16
Bhaja govindam-Bhupalapanchama-C/Triputa-Wadiar-j39
Chakreshi devi-Chakrapradipta-Adi-Muttiah Bhagavatar-j22
Namami shriman maha devendra-Chandrachuda-Chapu-Mysore Sadashiva Rao-j15
Nenjam padaikkavillaiya-Chandrahasita-Adi-K.S.Krishnamurti-j28
Tatakantaka mamava-Chandrakanta-Adi-C.S.Shivaramakrishna Bhagavatar-j65
- From: Isai Rasigai (@ columbo.lifeworks.com)
on: Tue Mar 14 10:18:28 EST 2000
ah - for once there is one raagam that I seem to have heard before from the list that Lakshman is posting ::)) and that would be Bhujangini :)
The song is Nandhabaalam bhajare.
Thanks for the good work once again lakshman
- From: Nadopasaka (@ adppp13.buffnet.net)
on: Tue Mar 14 11:53:11 EST 2000
IsaiRasigai
Is that a Chakravakam (m16) type sound or closer to Valaji for ( j16) Bhujangini ?
If it has fewer swaras, it may actually not even be close to m16. Please clarify, Thanks
- From: Isai Rasigai (@ columbo.lifeworks.com)
on: Tue Mar 14 12:03:14 EST 2000
Nado - it sounds closer to Chakravaaham - I have a recording of Shri TMT - would confirm Aaro-Avaro this evening. My understanding is it takes all(if not most notes) of Chakravaaham but may be in a vakra manner - would confirm tonight
- From: Lakshman (@ hse-kit-ppp38853.sympatico.ca)
on: Tue Mar 14 12:34:17 EST 2000
Bhujangini scale is S R G M D N S; S N D M G R s
- From: Isai Rasigai (@ columbo.lifeworks.com)
on: Tue Mar 14 12:53:22 EST 2000
ah - so it is chakravaaham sans panchamam - thanks again Lakshman
- From: Nadopasaka (@ ahppp5.buffnet.net)
on: Tue Mar 14 13:20:54 EST 2000
Just remembered a Ramapriya (pratima Chvkm ) kriti I heard, very good Korina Vara of PattinamSI. Chakravakam janyas like Valaji and Malayamarutam are quite unique and catchy.
- From: Lakshman (@ hse-kitchener-ppp78646.sympatico.ca)
on: Tue Mar 14 16:24:09 EST 2000
Speaking of pratimadhyama ragas, Shuddhadhanyasi is very popular but its pratimadhyama counterpart Vandanadharini is just as melodious and pleasing but is rarely performed.
- From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112)
on: Tue Mar 14 18:43:25 EST 2000
yeppa..ivLo raagamaa (paathi vaayila pErE nuzaiyalai..paddinaa (i mean naan) entha laTchaNaththila irukkumnu yOsichchEn sahikkalai :-))..lakshman sir..periya Library thaan neenga !
nanadini and nadOpaasaka (nalla pEru !) - neengaLum kalakkareenga. aamaam prathimadhyamamanaa countermadhyamamaa ?
If SD = S G1 M1 P N1 S ( Keyboard notation) do you mean
VD = S G1 M2 P N1 S ?
paattu yEthaavathu irukkaa ithila ?
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aippp30.buffnet.net)
on: Tue Mar 14 18:46:10 EST 2000
Lakshman, This one puzzles me (SD and prt ma Vnddhni). Do janya ragas also submit to reflection across madhyama ? ( now that you mention it, doesn't seem like a problem )
Are there some more examples ? Ill try to work with Hamsadhwani and see what happens .
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