Topic suggested by Geetha on Fri Aug 14 15:00:58 .
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I'd like to hear comments on these elaborate and often complex pieces. My intention is to discuss Raga(Carnatic and Hindustani) & Tala usage and also Composers and respective beautiful pieces.....One of my favourites is LALGUDI JEYARAMAN'S RAAGESHRI Raga Thillana. this is a Rare Hindustani ragam, exposed in a Fantastic fashion in this piece, I particularly like Sudha Raghunathan's rendition of this. There is also a Madurai Somu piece in this Ragam, 'Ninaikaatha Neramillai Muruga'......Both these pieces are rendered in Carnatic style. |
Responses:
- From: Rajaraman (@ 210.24.206.2)
on: Sun Aug 16 02:03:58
I'm also a great fan of Lalgudi's thillanas. His "Dance Of Sound" is a big hit album. Sudha R., Mandolin Srinivas and others regularly render Lalgudi's thillanas.
Apart from D.O.S, I have heard only a few
thillanas of Lalgudi (madhuvanthi,sindhu bairavi,brindavana saranga and a few others.)
I would be very much interested in a vol II of D.O.S.
From other composers, I love Maharajapuram's Misra Sivaranjani and Basanth Bahaar.
BMK's thillanas are apparently famous. Any reviews?
- From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk)
on: Mon Aug 17 08:54:11
I haven't heard of 'D.O.S'.....Is it the orchestral rendering of some of Lalgudi's Thillana's like Pahadi, Mohana Kalyani, Desh e.t.c? If so, I love it(I have a tape with a set of Lalgudi Thillanas, with no explanation of the Album Title).....The Mohana Kalyani one was(maybe is) used in the Radio Ceylon startup music, popularising it no end.
I love the Ragas he's chosen to compose in, Madhuvanthi and Desh have been brought out in thier most pleasing forms in Lalgudi's compositions.
As for Santhanam's Thillanas, they are a pleasure to listen to. His CHARUKESI Thillana is absolutely excellent. The Basanth bahar and Mishra Sivaranjani are also very nice(Laluudi's Mishra Sivaranjani is also very pleasing).
BMK, Mutthiah Bahavathar and TN Seshagopalan have also written very nice Thillanas. You must listen to it, it's excellent. Seshu sings a lot of MB's Thillana's as well as his own....Please try and take a listen of you can, you'll be very impressed. BMK has an album of his very 'tough to sing', complex Thillanas. BMK's Ragamalika Thillanas are particularly fantastic....
- From: Rajaraman (@ 210.24.206.2)
on: Tue Aug 18 08:00:04
yes, that is the D.O.S album.
- From: CM (@ cbvisa.att.com)
on: Wed Aug 26 10:16:41
Rajaraman: The dances of sound album as far as I know is a pretty old one cos I remember listening to a LP of the same or I guess is juat a collection of thillaana's by Lalgudi. But the new cassette released by HMV is good. Infact I like a lot of those esp, Dwijavanthi, Hammeer Kalyani and ofcourse the anytime hit kadhanakudhugalam. These are my favourites of that album.
- From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk)
on: Wed Aug 26 11:50:05
CM: Thanks for that, I'll try and hunt it down....Is it called D.O.S 2? By the way, in the set of LG's Thillana's that I have, the Dwijavanthi is there too. I wonder if the one you are speaking of is a re-mastered collection. Please tell me what else is on this HMV collection. Thanks in advance.
Rajaraman/CM: Have you seen the Lalgudi Compositions book? It has the notation and words of many of his Varnams, Padha Varnams, Kirtanas and Thillanas? It's a really good buy.....
- From: Ramaswamy Gireesan (@ m42.m59.big.ac.at)
on: Wed Aug 26 20:33:43
Geetha,
Seshu is a marvellous singer alright. But I dont understand why he insists on composing too. I associate Thillanas a pieces for dance performances. And I have heard Seshu's Thillanas in Huseini and Hameer Kalyani. Neither enjoyable or danceable (if that is the expression you use :-) )
And Lalgudi is really terrific with his thillanas.
Regards
G.Ramaswamy
- From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224)
on: Thu Aug 27 02:43:06
Geetha
The D.O.S I was talking about has:
Mohana Kalyani
Desh
Kaanada
?
Kathana guthoohalam
Dwijavanthi
Kaapi
Pahaadi
- From: CM (@ cbvisa.att.com)
on: Fri Aug 28 10:21:38
Rajaraman: The one u missed out was Hameer Kaylani.
Yes tahts the album I was talking about and released by HMV. Recently when I called home I found that the LP I heard are the collections of Lalgudi but recorded long time back but the contents are pretty much the same.
- From: AK (@ inet2.gses.com)
on: Mon Aug 9 09:45:20
HI,
Could any of you classical Gurus expound on the Raga called KaiKAVASI?? I heard it over the weekend.. aand BOY! was ut haunting.
Regards
AK
- From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg)
on: Sun Sep 19 06:58:47
A tribute to Lalgudi:
http://www.the-hindu.com/stories/09190702.htm
- From: Vasu (@ 152.austin-06-07rs.tx.dial-access.att.net)
on: Sun Sep 19 17:46:29
Seshu's thillana in niroshta is very good. i recently heard it in a Gayathri Girish's concert. Is DOS2 another cd/cassette? i too have the DOS1 and thats really fantastic.
AK: Kaikavasi is srgmpdns - snpmgrs, janya of neetimati. my ref book says thyagaraja composed 'vachama gochara' in this raga.
- From: M. Ramachandran (@ )
on: Fri Mar 24 10:22:25
Good topic for discussion
I also like Sri Lalgudi's tillanas. I was fortunate to learn the following tillanas in the raga Madhuvanthi, Desh, Kapi and Misra-Sivaranjani. He is imdee a great Mastero.
I would very much like to know if anybody has the recording of Madurai Somu of the song "Madu Meykkum Kanna" in the raga Desh?
Thanks
MR
- From: Gopal (@ htc.prt.com)
on: Fri Mar 24 11:08:10 EST 2000
Lalgudi's thillanas are really great.
My favotie one is in "thilang".He's composed thillanas in many rare raagas.
Does anyboy have a list of his "thillanas".
- From: IR (@ columbo.lifeworks.com)
on: Fri Mar 24 11:27:18 EST 2000
lalgudi's thillaana's are more popular and lot easier to follow than BMK 's (IMO - more melodious and classy!!!!)))) (Nado, nandini, narayanan would know what I mean!!)))
Here is what I remember:
Thilang
Bindumaalini
Mishra Shivaranjani
Behaag
Baageshri
Desh
Kaapi
Hamsaanandhi
NalinaKaanthi
Maand
Karna Ranjani
Madhuvanthi
Chen Churutti
Vasantha
Vaasanthi
Revathi
Raageshri
Khamaas
Yamuna Kalyaani
Mohana Kalyaani
Sindhu Bhairavi
KadhanaKudoohalam
Dwijaavanthi
Brindhavani
Paahadi
Kaanada
Aanandha Bhairavi
Darbaari Kaanada
Kunthala Varaali
Aaberi
Gosh, he has covered almost all of the beautiful raagas :::))))
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp7772.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Fri Mar 24 11:43:06 EST 2000
IR:
I beg to differ with you but unless there is another of his books published, he has no compositions in Bindumalini, Chenjuruti, Abheri and Kadanakutuhala. There is a tanavarnam in Nalinakanti 'Nive gatiyani nerata'
- From: IR (@ columbo.lifeworks.com)
on: Fri Mar 24 12:25:13 EST 2000
Lakshman:
I am reasonably sure about all of the above thillaanas. I attended a workshop on Lalgudi's compositions. Some of these thillaanas were mentioned.. I am positive about Kadanakuthuhalam - Aadhi thaala thillaana - I know that piece
I am also sure about Bindumaalini and Aaberi - check out "In the Lalgudi tradition' CD.
also, add Hameer Kalyaani to my list..
Chenjurutti is one that I am not able to recollect well.... but have a strong feeling that I have heard that thillaana - would post when I get some more info on this...
Thanks
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aippp16.buffnet.net)
on: Fri Mar 24 12:45:24 EST 2000
Are Thillanas typically in Deshya raagas ? If so , why ? Thanks for comments.
- From: IR (@ columbo.lifeworks.com)
on: Fri Mar 24 12:48:13 EST 2000
not necessarily Nado - but in a concert, thillaana would be included as a "thukkada" and usually the trend is to sing thukkadaas in Deshya (not always) or rakthi or lighter raagas...
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aappp38.buffnet.net)
on: Fri Mar 24 13:34:24 EST 2000
Hi isrgi :-)), are there any Thillanas in any Melakarta ragas ? Muthiah B. may have some, I feel. Do the dance accompanists indulge in these more whole-heartedly ?
- From: IR (@ columbo.lifeworks.com)
on: Fri Mar 24 14:04:55 EST 2000
Nado: I am sure there are a whole lot of those.. I am aware of one in Shankarabharanam and one in Kalyani.. lakshman could help us here :)
- From: Vasu (@ s04.austin.ibm.com)
on: Fri Mar 24 15:56:10 EST 2000
Lakshman:
I think the Kathanakuthuhalam thillana is featured in the cassette Dance of Sound.
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp10279.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Fri Mar 24 16:09:07 EST 2000
IR:
It took some time to cull the information but here is the breakdown of tillanas in melakarta ragas.
Charukesi 2, Kalyani 7, Kharaharapriya 2, Shankarabharana 6, Todi 12, Kamavardhini 4, Shanmukahpriya 2, Vachaspati 1 and Natabhairavi 1. If you or Vasu can give me the beginning words of the tillanas of Lalgudi in Kadanakutuhala, Chenjuruti, Bindumalini, Kuntalavarali and Abheri and their respective talas I can add them to my list. Thanks.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp67.buffnet.net)
on: Fri Mar 24 20:21:09 EST 2000
Thanks Lakshman. It is most striking that [a] there are relatively so few in melas [b] that there are none in the MMGowla and HariKamboji melas [c] or that the lists above do not seem to have any in MMGowla janyas such as Saveri (maybe LGJ has one in this ?? ) or Revagupti.
What is the earliest known Thillana ? Is it the Thillana Mohanambal ? Thanks for comments.
- From: IR (@ dialup-209.244.123.249.boston1.level3.net)
on: Sun Mar 26 08:34:35 EST 2000
Lakshman: The Kathanakuthoohalam thillana goes like "thanaDheem jom thadheem"... I have to find out about the toher ones - would post as soon as I find out...
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aeppp5.buffnet.net)
on: Sun Mar 26 12:20:18 EST 2000
Hi Isrgi :-)) I am still reconciling to thillanas (sorry ?!). Is their alphabet made up of dance related words or syllables ? e.g. Jonu dheem , udara tani , nadridom etc. Just curious what could be other Lalgudi thillanas in the same raaga. Is there a talam that goes with the tillanas as well ? Thanks for ideas.
Just heard NikelaraDayaradu of (i think ) Vasudevacharya (?? ) in Kadanakutuhalam. Now here was a worthy student of Pattinam.
- From: IR (@ dialup-63.210.133.56.boston1.level3.net)
on: Sun Mar 26 13:49:44 EST 2000
>>"Is their alphabet made up of dance related words or syllables<<" Yes - thillanas were originally composed for dance - and hence the "chol kattus" add beauty to them...
>>"Just curious what could be other Lalgudi thillanas in the same raaga<<" I am not aware of Lagudi composing more than one thillaana in the same raaga nado....
>>"Is there a thaalam<<" there sure is - Thillaanas are meant to exhibit "Footwork"!!
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