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- From: Rajani (@ 202.75.128.12)
on: Sat Dec 9 18:53:28 EST 2000
Nado : Shiva is the ONLY God known as "Ashu-toshi" (easliy pleased) and going by accounts of Bhasmasura, Surapadma, Ravana etc, He indeed melts quickly, unmindful of the other qualifications of His devotees. So "Navaneeta-hridaya" may not be so out of place. (In a light-hearted comparison, Vishnu seems very choosy about the calibre of His devotees - all of them seem to be the Saattvic type, including those of Asura/Rakshasa origins like Prahlada/Vibhishana)
There is one Kshetra , Sikkal ( though famous for the Singaravelar, it is actually a Shiva temple) where the Lingam was made of butter (from Kamadhenu's milk) by Vasishta and when the rishi tried to take it away, he couldn't ( it was "stuck" and so the name Sikkal). The name of the Lord is "Navaneeteshwarar"!
Kizhvelur(Kivalur) of Akshayalinga fame is very near Sikkal, I wonder if MD visited Sikkal too.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ nas-133-217.nyc-t.navipath.net)
on: Sat Dec 9 21:49:05 EST 2000
Rajani, This certainly fits but I could not find this description in the Siva Sahasranam, proabably its under another synonym. What does the 'chaitrotsava' in the S'bharana Akshayalinga refer to ?
Narayanan, The Shri Matah Begada by Alathurs is exactly as you said.. 'crackling'. The Dayanidhe Mamava SS begada varna has some slight similarity. The kriti shows MD's scrupulous approach of avoiding overlap in the different krities within the same raga. The 'pramatr pramana prameya prapancha prakasha' is about as long as the MD alliterations go as well.
- From: pANini (@ socks1b.rochester.ibm.com)
on: Mon Dec 11 00:01:08 EST 2000
Rajani >> yes MD was supposed to have visited sikkal.the son shringara shakatyayudha refers to sikkal shringara vela.
- From: narayanan (@ 194.193.249.33)
on: Mon Dec 11 05:40:03 EST 2000
Krithi of the week at http://dikshitar.homepage.com (www.guruguha.com) is Srikanthimathim - Dehisimharavam by Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer
- From: Rajani (@ 202.75.128.12)
on: Mon Dec 11 19:20:09 EST 2000
Thanks Panini.
Nado : Not sure about the "Chaitrotsava", guess it may be that the temple's Brahmotsava is in the month of Chaitra, concluding on Chitra Pournami.
- From: narayanan (@ 194.193.249.33)
on: Wed Dec 13 07:54:13 EST 2000
In the Dasavatara Ragamalika, the line Parasuramasya Dasoham looks odd to me. Parasurama Avatharam is not considered to be a god who is usually worshipped. Any comments on this ?
- From: Rajani (@ 202.75.128.12)
on: Thu Dec 14 06:16:07 EST 2000
Narayanan : As far as I know, Parashurama is not worshipped separately, but praises to him find place in all Dashavatara Stotrams (inc the famous Ashtapadi "Pralaya-payodhi-jale")
MD seems to give a nice reason for being Dasa to P. "Sitapatim Sharanaagatasya". If P surrendered to Rama, then any Rama-bhakta will be ready to be "dasa-dasa" :-)
Infact only Narasimha, Rama and Krishna (and rarely Varaha) are worshipped individually among the Avatars. Reasons could be 1. The purpose of the avatar 2. Purnavatara vs Amshavatara 3. Duration of the form etc.
- From: muthusami (@ 61.1.203.195)
on: Thu Dec 14 09:12:45 EST 2000
amaam!
- From: Nadopasaka (@ nas-133-93.nyc-t.navipath.net)
on: Fri Dec 15 20:02:09 EST 2000
I remember asking earlier about the 'vaama-maarga priyakari' title , used a few times by MD, for Devi. What are these 'left handed' traits ?
a rather lenghty alliteration may be found in the charanam of the Ahiri 'Kusumakara vimana'
- From: Nadopasaka (@ nas-133-48.nyc-t.navipath.net)
on: Sat Dec 16 19:35:10 EST 2000
Narayanan , I can't get enough of the 'Shri Matah Shiva vaamaanke' Begada ! The Alathurs are superb, e.g. the slightly extended first 'kushale'. MD obviously has the Devis attention with his meter and lilt, this often makes me deeply envious. Both Syama Sastris varnam ? Dayanidhe mamava and perhaps remotely the pallavi of Gattiganu by Tyagaraja might be close in places. Many, many thanks.
- From: pANini (@ cbe-d10.pppmad.vsnl.net.in)
on: Sun Dec 17 01:18:27 EST 2000
Abt the tala usages of MD - any stats anyone?
Also I'd like to know
Who started singing with the present "normalized" tala in In shri Kalahastisha & shrI mahAganapatiravatumAm
Abt the origin of the solkaatus sung along with some of his kritis - shri mahaa ganapati ravatumAm,ananda natana?
ie are they the handiworks of students [as there were many invloved with dance] or did Dikshitar compose them?
- From: Nadopasaka (@ nas-133-242.nyc-t.navipath.net)
on: Sun Dec 17 11:06:24 EST 2000
Hi, paanini, scroll back in Old responses, PPN had a pretty comprehensive stat. list. tala details he gave were ( I copy here from his post )
Number of Talams employed 10
Rupakam 138 krithis
Adi 184 Krithis
Triputa 17 krithis
Jhampa 11 krithis
Chapu 60 krithis (misra = 54 + Khanda = 6)
Matyam 1 krithi
Ekam 56 krithis (tisra = 22, chaturasra = 22, khanda = 12)
The taala of one of the Navagrahas is also debated often :-))
It seems less likely that immediate students would 'tamper' with the krities. Probably 1-2 generations removed.
- From: pANini (@ socks1b.rochester.ibm.com)
on: Mon Dec 18 01:45:21 EST 2000
yes.but what book is the source of these stats >> KSI ?
- From: narayanan (@ 194.193.249.33)
on: Mon Dec 18 04:40:47 EST 2000
Krithi of the week at http://dikshitar.homepage.com (www.guruguha.com) is Rame Bharatha - Jyothi by B V Raman/ B V Lakshmanan
- From: Rajani (@ 202.75.128.12)
on: Mon Dec 18 07:12:56 EST 2000
Nado: Found in a short commentary of LS that Dakshinachara means the vaidika(following the vedas) way of worship while Vaamachara is the a-vaidika aka tantric way of worship. LS refers to the two impartially( savyaapasavya-margasthaa, dakshinaadakshinaaradhya).
Maybe S can provide more details on why prefers the latter acc to MD
- From: Rajani (@ 202.75.128.12)
on: Mon Dec 18 07:13:34 EST 2000
I meant why Devi prefers the latter
- From: S (@ wwwgate281.motorola.com)
on: Tue Dec 19 01:24:44 EST 2000
Nado, Rajani : This regards vAmamArga or vAmAcAra. I do not have any ready references and am just quoting from memory.
1. To just connect Nado's question on "left-handed" and Rajani's comment on the two ways, I wanted to add that in the "vAmAcAra" way, one uses the left hand to offer the
different offerings ( such as wine, meat, etc !) to Devi in the form of Kali or Durga or Shakti and hence the name "vAmAcAra", as "vAma" means left.
2. "vAmAcAra" is a tantric way, supposed to be followed by the 3 varnas other than Brahmins, who are supposed to follow the "dakshinAcAra" ( I am just saying this by way of info and nothing more ). This way of worship is supposed to be extremely difficult to follow, as one may go astray in the midway, as one may fall prey to the temptations of intoxication and non vegetarian food ; hence this way is held in contempt by others, especially the "dakshinAcAra" worshippers. Very few have been successful in completing the worship in the "vAmAcAra" way. ( IIRC ) Sri Ramakrishna is reputed to have been successful in completing this way of tantric worship also, when he experimented with different ways of worship, including those preached by Islam and Christianity. Some people have also interpreted vAmamArga to mean "Path of the Woman", partly due to the importance and reverence the Tantras placed on their goddess Shakti, who embodied the feminine absolute. Others hold that Devi can be pleased in both ways.
3. Rgd Rajani's comment on LS : The term "dakshinaadakshinaaradhya" is interpreted in two ways by some. The first one is as u have pointed out, viz., "worshipped by the followers of "dakshinAcAra" way ( in addn to the "vAmAcAra" way in the other epithet u have cited ). The other interpretation is "worshipped both by the educated (experts in a field) as well as the
uneducated (the commoners), as the adjective "dakshiNa" not only means "right" (as opposite of left), but also means "adept in, expert in, having
mastery in, etc."
3. Rgd MD's usage, I do not think any preference ( for vaamamaarga ) by Devi is being referred to. It could be either that Dikshitar uses it in a general way and only means that Devi pleases all those, who worship her ( including the vaamamaarga ) or, if shakti is particularly being referred to, it could be a reference to the Path of the cosmic feminine shakti.
- From: pANini (@ socks1b.rochester.ibm.com)
on: Tue Dec 19 01:47:30 EST 2000
S>>
reg : vAmamArga priyakari in one of the abhayamba kritis there is a reference to the pancamakArAs devi is called pancamakArAyai.And this reference seems to be confusing w.r.to the explanation of 3.
Talking of the lalitasahasranama unlike saundaryalahari which does not contains references only to the saumya aspects of the devi admits of different modes of worship.
btw There is also a mishramarga followed by some of the sages like durvasas.
- From: Rajani (@ 202.75.128.12)
on: Tue Dec 19 06:31:37 EST 2000
S : Thanks a lot for the explanation.
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa's Guru in the Tantrik worship was a woman, Bhairavi Braahmani!
- From: Nadopasaka (@ nas-132-96.rochester.navipath.net)
on: Tue Dec 19 17:30:03 EST 2000
Thanks Rajani, also good to see S back. In line with 3. the Shsrnm seems also to use 'sva-Tantraa' as a synonym for Devi. A good time to revisit the 'prabra Vaamadi' idea in the Shudda dhanyasi ?
This may be a little less laconic than Paaninis constructs ? Who is MD referring to as 'Kamalaa Kantaanujaayai' and what is 'manuKonaayai' in the terrific Kamboji Nvvrna . What is the lineage of the vocalist S Rajeswari who does an adequate Kmlmba Nvvrna in a recent 2 set CD ?
Panini, I think PPN may have used TKG's book as well in the stats.
- From: Rajani (@ bkj-cache83.jaring.my)
on: Tue Dec 19 19:03:10 EST 2000
Kamalaa-kanta = Vishnu (husband to Lakshmi)
Anuja = sister
Devi is referred to as Vishnu's sister here as in many other places (LS - padmanabha-sahodari)
I wonder why Vishnu is not referred that frequently as Devi's brother. The ONLY instances I can recall are in Ganamurte of ST (nagajaa-sahaja) and Parimalaranga of MD ( nagapati-sutaa-sodaram). Maybe because referring to the older in relation to the younger sibling is not very complimentary ?
Would like to know what TKG?KSI give as the meaning of "pra-bravaamaadi-pujita"
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