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- From: Rajani (@ 202.151.220.38)
on: Mon Aug 7 22:49:31 EDT 2000
Have the MD Kritis on Karpakambal and Kapalishwara of Mylapore( in Todi and Mohanam) ever been performed in concerts?
- From: narayanan (@ 194.193.249.33)
on: Tue Aug 8 04:16:52 EDT 2000
Rajani:
I believe Dikshitar has not composed on Karpagambal/Kapalishwara of Mylapore. If You are referring to the Kapaliswaram - Mohanam varnam,this is attributed to Ramaswamy Dikshitar.
- From: pANini (@ ppp-179-237.bng.vsnl.net.in)
on: Tue Aug 8 08:05:31 EDT 2000
actually my question was
who is shankaranarayani ? gomathiamman and how?
>>reg panca bhoothas there seems to be some
repetion of the elements ,ie synonyms esp in the kamalamba krithis and there is also a concept of combination of elements in shrividya ?
any ideas?
- From: Nadopasaka (@ ahppp26.buffnet.net)
on: Tue Aug 8 10:21:29 EDT 2000
The Mahishasura kriti in appropriately Narayani raaga refers to 'shankara-arddha-sharinin'.
Generally 'Narayani' in MD refers to female of Shankara = Shankari e.g. KamalakshiNarayani in S'madhyamam, NarayaniJagadambike in R'malika etc. Either Shankara-narayanI is a typo. or it refers to the afore-cited Narayani. The latter seems reasonable.
Narayani raaga is somewhere between mela28 and mela 29. NarayanaDesaakshi is very close to Bilahari. In fact Tyagaraja has a kriti in Bilahari 'Nivegana Nannu' and one in Narayani, Rama Nivegani nannu ! Chembai has sung ND as Bilahari.
Similar is the use of NaaMorala as starting word in both a Devagaandhaari and an Arabhi, which can be identical in mediocre treatments !
- From: narayanan (@ 194.193.249.33)
on: Wed Aug 9 04:33:41 EDT 2000
Probably MD is refering to Rajeswari (Narayana's sister as per hindu mythology, when referring to Narayani)
- From: K. Shyam (@ net166-223.its.yale.edu)
on: Wed Aug 9 07:44:44 EDT 2000
Nadopasaka:
Re: Senapate
I just listened to OST's rendition of this kriti. Shankarapura Senapate does appear to be a wrap-around construct (at least the way he sings it).
- From: narayanan (@ 194.193.249.33)
on: Wed Aug 9 08:00:38 EDT 2000
K Shyam:
OST's Paataanthram for this krithi does not sound authentic to me.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ afppp46.buffnet.net)
on: Wed Aug 9 10:20:38 EDT 2000
Narayanan, The simultaneous use of Mahishasuramardini and rajeswari/tripurasundari etc. does appear e.g. maha tripura sundari , .Madhyamavati. This also uses Madhava Sodari, as you point out. cf. also Dharmasamvardhini, another Mmvati. It is interesting that Kartikeya is also 'matula govinda' in the Dandayudha AnandaBhairavi kriti , which may be a reference to the maternal uncle.
Who else may have performed this Senapate kriti ?
- From: narayanan (@ 194.193.249.33)
on: Wed Aug 9 10:54:44 EDT 2000
Nado:
I have heard Smt. Raji Gopalakrishnan sing this once. OST's versions seems to have too many loose ends. He does not tie up the line endings properly and this is what makes me think about his paataanthram.
Reg: "mathula govinda":
I have noticed one version of Subramanyena - Suddha Dhanyasi where the Charana madhyamakalam is sung as "venkateswara naamaroopena". Some believe that the deity in tirumala is that of Subramanya.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aappp36.buffnet.net)
on: Wed Aug 9 11:06:24 EDT 2000
That is interesting. The Subrahamanyena kriti seems to be linked previously on this post to Kazhugumalai?, part of the lalitopakhyana trail ?.
Does the Ahiri Kmmlmba kriti's pallavi suggest a Yati pattern, flaring outward ?
- From: narayanan (@ 194.193.249.33)
on: Wed Aug 9 11:15:41 EDT 2000
Nado:
I am not saying that the Subramanyena krithi is on the lord of Tirumala, but looking at the posture, people speculate that it is of Muruga (two devis, right hand with Abhaya hastham and left hand folded near the stomch as if holding the velaayudham etc etc)
- From: Nadopasaka (@ adppp6.buffnet.net)
on: Wed Aug 9 11:52:46 EDT 2000
Narayanan, Maybe KSI or SSP has some clue with the ShuddhaDhanyasi translation and/or sthala purana. It is possible this Kazhugumalai may have become confused with Tirumalai ? The kriti actually uses kanaka-shaila. ( cf. Punnagavarali of Syama Sastri linking to Kamakoti ? . Tyagaraja seems to refer to Subrahmanya directly only in two krities, a Todi and a Supradeepa ) It might be understood that Tyg. did not get a real good look at the Tiurpati deity since it was under wraps ! MD is generally scrupulous with his descriptions, VenkateshwaraNamarupena is a construct that probably appears in other places as well and should be checked.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ ahppp37.buffnet.net)
on: Wed Aug 9 12:07:50 EDT 2000
pls. see also MD's Megharanjini kriti 'Venkateswara-yadavabhupati' whose charana begins with 'kanaka shaila madhyasthita kartikeya ' ! What is Megharanjita-bahu-ksetram ?
What is Megha-ranjani raaga ? Why is there no rain-producing property known like that of anandaamrutavarshini :-)) ?
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aappp8.buffnet.net)
on: Wed Aug 9 12:23:29 EDT 2000
more on Pancha-Bhutas : Etavunara Kalyani of Tyg. houses the phrase 'Bhu-kamal-arka-anila-nabha' which may have been used as 'neraval' point.
- From: K. Shyam (@ net166-223.its.yale.edu)
on: Wed Aug 9 17:34:52 EDT 2000
Re: Subrahmanyena
KSI has it as "VenkatEshwara supoojitEna", meaning "worshipped by Venkateswara (a bhoopathy)".
- From: K. Shyam (@ net166-223.its.yale.edu)
on: Wed Aug 9 18:11:39 EDT 2000
Re: Subrahmanyena
I believe the reference is to Kanka-shaila, not Kanaka-shaila.
Re: yati pattern in the Ahiri KamalAmbA kriti
I am only aware of two kinds of yatis: gopuchcha (e.g., srisArasapadE, rasapadE, sapadE, padE in Sri Varalakshmi) and srotovaha (e.g., sam, prakAsam,svaroopa prakAsam, tattva svaroopa prakAsam, sakala tattva svarupa prakAsam, siva satyAdi sakala tattva svaroopa prakAsam in Tyagaraja yoga vaibhavam. This kriti also has the other yati pattern in the pallavi). Are there others? Neither of these appears to be present in the Ahiri kriti.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aeppp24.buffnet.net)
on: Wed Aug 9 18:28:21 EDT 2000
KShyam, I think there are other kinds of Yatis, perhaps some for which the names may not be known widely. AhiriKmmlmba pallavi builds partially on the words 'Shri kamalamba jayati', adding words ( these do change ) up to the last line of the pallavi. It's not the standard description of a yati, as we know them.
Both the Venkateshwara (Megharanjini) and the Subrahamanyena ( with VenkateshwaraNamarupena) Suddha Dhanyasi use KankaShaila which may be the same reference. Perhaps Kazugumalai = Kanka-shaila ? Whether this is different from Kanaka-Shaila viharini of Syamasastri etc. should be checked. 'Kanaka' seems to relate to 'golden', which may confuse things even more.
- From: K. Shyam (@ net166-223.its.yale.edu)
on: Wed Aug 9 19:03:07 EDT 2000
Nadopasaka: I have heard the Ahiri kriti several times and I think I understand what you mean.
Kanka-shaila has been translated into Kazhugu malai by both TKG and KSI. I wonder what kanka means (vulture?).
- From: K. Shyam (@ net166-223.its.yale.edu)
on: Wed Aug 9 19:08:00 EDT 2000
kanaka-shaila = golden mountain = mEru according to Dr. S. Ramanathan
- From: Ramaprasad (@ 204.154.176.49)
on: Wed Aug 9 19:27:55 EDT 2000
AFAIK, the sAhitya of SubramanyENa goes like
Kanka(ga?) shaila vihArEna varENa .. and not
kanaka saila.
Some people sing "Venkateshwara nAma rUpENa" as
"Venkateshwara vibhAvitEna"
-Ramaprasad
- From: Lakshman (@ kitchener-ppp111643.sympatico.ca)
on: Wed Aug 9 21:20:07 EDT 2000
Nado & KVR:
the caraNa in subramaNyEna starts with "ganga shaila vihArENa sukhEna". This is according to KMM.
- From: Lakshman (@ kitchener-ppp111643.sympatico.ca)
on: Wed Aug 9 21:25:24 EDT 2000
Nado & KVR:
I checked KSI's book and it is "kanka shaila .....".
- From: Rajani (@ 202.151.220.45)
on: Wed Aug 9 23:04:25 EDT 2000
Kanka does mean eagle and Kanka-shaila refers to Kazhugumalai, again acc. to Dr S Ramanathan, in a lec-dem he gave on "Kavadi chindus of Kazhugumalai Annamalai Reddiar", where he mentions "Subrahmanyena" specifically. This lec-dem is available for listening at "Sampradaya" Archives,Chennai.
Kanaka-shaila (Meru) is usually referred to only in Devi's Kritis, as the abode of Devi.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ adppp24.buffnet.net)
on: Wed Aug 9 23:30:47 EDT 2000
Thanks very much for the info. to all. The phrase 'kanka/ganga shaila madhyasthita kartikeya shiva guruguha karunakatakshapatram' appears to be adjectival to Venkateswara ( residing smack in/on this kanka Mt.), who is planning to reward all three Kartikeya, Shiva and 'MD ?' with a sidelong glance. Typically the composer mudra refers to Kartikeya (e.g. ibhavadana shri guruguha janani in one of the Abhayamba set ) , but this may not be universal e.g. Navagrahas. If Venkateswara of Kazhugumalai is somehow synonymous ( re. Narayanans observation on Tirumalai ) with the 'Kanka-shaila kartikeya' then the 'Shiva Guruguha..' part of this kriti might have be set apart by a pause etc. by MD. However VenkatesaNayanam is a construct for the moon in Chandram Bhaja which may also be discussed.
- From: K. Shyam (@ net231-215.its.yale.edu)
on: Thu Aug 10 06:23:37 EDT 2000
Just curious. Is a "kazhugu" an eagle or a vulture? I thought the Tamil word for eagle is "parundu".
- From: paaNini (@ ppp-191-133.bng.vsnl.net.in)
on: Thu Aug 10 06:47:45 EDT 2000
in thyagaraja yoga vaibhavam..what does vam mean? ie the one that comes after bhavam..?
- From: Nadopasaka (@ adppp29.buffnet.net)
on: Thu Aug 10 09:42:08 EDT 2000
'vam' may be similar to Latin 'vam-onos' , to leave or exit etc. probably also 'issue out of', hopefully not the root for 'vomit'. In KarikalabhaMukham Saveri, generally GNB and his students, emit a distinct moan of sorts, probably before 'bhajare re', maybe even after it. Is this annotated by MD ?
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aippp4.buffnet.net)
on: Thu Aug 10 10:43:10 EDT 2000
re: raaga mudra in MD. Discounting the Mangala ( the troublesome HanumaTodi re: ahantadi of Mahagnptim vande ) and Dhyana krities, the Kmmlmba Nvvrna seems to use raga mudra in some form throughout ( although there are other krities with much clearer mudras in these ragas )
[1] kamalaj-Ananda bodhasukhi, [2] nitya Kalyanim katyayanim, [3] Shankara nayikaya, [4] saubhagya dayaKambhoja, [5] sevita Bhairavi bhargavi, [6] ramaniya Punnagavarali , [7] vilakShana-hariShana, [8] Ghanta mani ,
[9] The Ahiri presents an interesting idea, suggesting that the pallavi pattern/yati (of whatever kind) may have been imfluenced by the need/method for putting in the raga mudra. By this ninth or revert vibhakti, MD knows he has to put it in the mudra, so this may have been foremost ! therefore he deals with it immediately using 'shri Kamalamba jayati' which leads naturally to
[9] amb-AsHRI kamalambajayati
No such common mudra feature is found in ALL the krities Abhayamba set which apart from the Todi has the equally troublesome YadukulaKamboji. a few possess the mudra e.g. camaram
Is it pointed out in SSP/KSI that MD TYPICALLY uses raaga-mudra in the FIRST (chronologically) of his compositions in a raaga ?
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