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He is indeed one of the Greatest Composers in Music History. I am in a process of collecting and learning his works (trying to !!!). This page is for posting information about references to audio clips of Dikshitar krithis so that it will be of much use to Dikshitar "fans" like myself. |
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- From: Nadopasaka (@ ip-111-21-244.dc-g.navipath.net)
on: Sun Jan 14 21:38:16 EST 2001
The alatur opening of Nilotpalaambikayaa in Kannadagaula sounds beseeching, a majestic cry for help. What is known of the concept of grief in the MD krities ? Not everything could have been rosy all the time. Is it possible that Devi broke his heart also ?
- From: narayanan (@ 194.193.249.33)
on: Mon Jan 15 04:25:05 EST 2001
Krithi of the week at http://dikshitar.homepage.com is Vinayaka - Vegavahini by Sri G N B
- From: pANini (@ socks1b.rochester.ibm.com)
on: Mon Jan 15 06:01:22 EST 2001
In the balahamsa kriti there is this line :
ahadajahal lakSaNayA jIvaikyAtmanO rahah pUjita ...
I was just stunned.These are some of the vedanta paribhashas.Jahallakshana means a statement which says something and implies many things.And ajahallakshana means a statement which says something but means another thing.
The link between this and and the jIva brahma aikya w.r.to tatvam asi -[it was explained to me from a dwaita angle] They say in the statement tat tvam tat - tvam in the sense that it is the same but there is the difference of pUrnatva and alpatva.so when we say they are the same we imply these differences.
Does anyone having the book vedanta paribhasha elaborate upon this and explain it from the advaita angle.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ nas-132-239.rochester.navipath.net)
on: Mon Jan 15 20:43:27 EST 2001
This balahamsa is notable also in the use the word 'tatva' in the Pallavi and anupallavi, especialy Guptagamaartha tatva.
What is also interesting is the Balahamsa of Tyagaraja Rama Sita Rama whose last 2 charanas cite 'advaita samrajyamu' and 'aagama nigama mulaku artham' !
- From: Nadopasaka (@ nas-132-239.rochester.navipath.net)
on: Mon Jan 15 20:54:04 EST 2001
ps, this Tyg. Balahamsa also uses the word Rama Raghukulaabdhi Soma .
- From: narayanan (@ 194.193.249.33)
on: Wed Jan 17 06:03:48 EST 2001
I am looking for more details on Lord rAma's association with Vinayaka. The vegavahini krithi vinAyaka has a phrase "pavanAtmajAnandakara rAma mitra vara pavitra" . any comments ?
- From: Rajani (@ 202.75.128.12)
on: Wed Jan 17 07:07:40 EST 2001
Narayanan: After the last discussion on this topic, I thought of a connection in the story of Srirangam. Rama gifted His "Kula-deivam" Sriranganatha to Vibhishana during His coronation. When Vibhishana reached the bank of Kaveri, Vinayaka in the guise of a boy, set down the idol entrusted to Him, thus fixing it there (quite like a Customs officer!). So I guess Vinayaka, acting in the best interest of Rama may be called "Rama-mitra" !
- From: Ravi Kiran (@ 164.164.70.54)
on: Thu Jan 18 02:06:32 EST 2001
this is regarding the popular "annapurne" in saama.
some versions (eg: Sri RKS's version) add a "raksha" at the end of the first line of the pallavi,i.e.:
annapoorNE viSAlAkSi raksha
akhila bhuvana saakSi.....
any comments?
- From: S (@ wwwgate281.motorola.com)
on: Thu Jan 18 03:20:45 EST 2001
Ravikiran,
The whole kriti is a string of sambodhana vibhaktis ( words in the vocative case ). U can find such examples in other kritis. This is acceptable as per grammar. Some people prefer to add a form of verb to complete the sense ( so that it means - O Annapurne etc. - pl protect me ). So u find the verb raksha ( mAm - understood ) in some versions, though it need not be deemed absolutely necessary in the case of sambodhana vibhakti.
A more uncommon hanging string of vibhaktis is venkatachalanilayam of P Dasa, where the whole kriti is a string of the second vibhakti. In such a case, one can complete it by a smarami, bhajami/bhajare etc.
- From: S (@ wwwgate281.motorola.com)
on: Thu Jan 18 03:27:09 EST 2001
By the word 'uncommon', I did'nt mean that venkatachalanilayam is uncommon - I meant that second vibhakti is rarely left hanging ( to my knowledge ) - pbly the current kriti is only part of the original composition
- From: Rajani (@ 202.75.128.12)
on: Thu Jan 18 07:08:17 EST 2001
S: Another "uncommon hanging string of vibhaktis" is the well-known shloka on Raghavendra (in the fourth vibhakti)
"pUjyAya rAghavEndrAya satya-dharma-ratAya ca
bhajatAm kalpa-vRkSaya namatAm kAma-dhEnavE"
Maybe there are other stanzas which contain the "nama:"
- From: Ramaprasad K V (@ 204.154.176.49)
on: Thu Jan 18 14:24:13 EST 2001
I guess 'Venkatachala Nilayam' originally was
venkatachachala nilaya vaikunTha puravAsa
and so on. In that case, it will be in
prathama vibhakti, making a string of
adjectives to Vishnu. Makes sense too since
in Kannada all the words are tatsama, taking
the same meaning as in Samskrita. In this
case we'd not need a bhajAMi or smarAmi to
make it complete.
So may be later someone started to sing
as Venkatachala nilayam etc and it somehow
has taken firm ground.
Ramaprasad K V
- From: S (@ wwwgate281.motorola.com)
on: Sat Jan 20 04:43:26
That is a possibility in case of venkatachalanilayam
- From: Rajani (@ 202.75.128.12)
on: Sat Jan 20 16:41:19
Does the "sundara" in A.Bhairavi Navavaranam ("sundara-manah-priyakara-sakhi")refer to the saint Sundarar, who lived in Tiruvarur?
Calling Devi his "sakhi" is keeping with the practice in other sanskrit works,where a friend's wife is referred to as one's "sakhi" and Sundarar is known to be Shiva's friend.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ nas-132-40.rochester.navipath.net)
on: Sat Jan 20 22:59:29
Rajani, I think this could also be Kamalamba as MD's sakhi, and the consort of Sundaresa=siva. In fact the references to Shiva in the other Nvvrna krities can be noted paramashiva kamini, shankara naayikayaa etc.
In this regard, it would be useful to know more about the dancer Kamalam reputedly of the Tanjore court and a student of MD. The passion that emerges from the MD kritis phrases suggests great warmth and experiences, not necessarily in keeping with aloof austerity. ( not considering tyagaraja here )
- From: K. Shyam (@ duncan.its.yale.edu)
on: Sun Jan 21 11:18:17
Re: sundara-manah-priyakara-sakhi
"The beloved companion of Lord Sundaresa" is the way both TKG and KSI translate it.
- From: narayanan (@ 194.193.249.33)
on: Mon Jan 22 04:22:52
Krithi of the week at http://dikshitar.homepage.com is Sri Guruguha - Devakriya by Smt D K Pattammal
- From: kartik (@ ppp-191-204.bng.vsnl.net.in)
on: Tue Jan 23 08:04:13
Narayanan:
I'm not terribly sure if Vinayaka's association with Rama is being referred to . I think it has got more to do with Hanuman(Rama Mitra).Tyagaraja has addressed Vinayaka as Anchaneya in his 'Sri Gananatham' in Kanakangi("Anchenayavataram Subhashanam").What is also very interesting about that Kriti is the use of Guruguha in the Saahitya?
Could anyone elaborate on this?
- From: narayanan (@ 194.193.249.33)
on: Tue Jan 23 08:51:56
Thanks Rajani and Karthik.
Dr P P Narayanaswami has created a pdf file with lyrics for the Navagraha krithis in sanskrit. it is available at http://dikshitar.homepage.com now.
Please let me know your suggestion/feedback.
Many thanks to Dr PPN.
- From: pANini (@ socks1b.rochester.ibm.com)
on: Wed Jan 24 03:26:18
kartik>>
Could u please give the complete sahitya and the soruce where u fnd it.
- From: narayanan (@ 194.193.249.33)
on: Wed Jan 24 04:34:39
http://dikshitar.homepage.com now has postscript version of the Navagraha krithis.
Please let me know your suggestion/feedback.
Many thanks to Dr PPN.
- From: kartik (@ ppp-182-71.bng.vsnl.net.in)
on: Wed Jan 24 08:21:25
Panini,
I guess you are referring to the 'Sri Gananatham 'piece of Thyagaraja.I have a version of it rendered by U.Srinivas on Mandolin with Rajesh, his brother.It is available in HMV.As for the sahityam, I have the book of Ramanuja Iyengar who has notated Thyagaraja's Kirtanas.I shall give the Sahityam shortly.
- From: Ramaprasad K V (@ 204.154.176.49)
on: Wed Jan 24 13:59:52
Here is the sAhitya for SrigananAtham in
Kanakangi. It is one of the disputed kritis
of tyAgaraja
srI gaNanAtham bhajAmyaham
srIkaram chintitArtha phaladam ||P||
srI (guru ?) guhAgrajam agra pUjyam
srIkanThAtmajam sritasAmrAjyam ||AP||
ranjita nATaka ranga tOshaNam
shinjita vara maNi maya bhUshaNam
AnjanEyAvatAram subhAshaNam
kunjara mukha tyAgarAja pOshaNam || Chrarana||
I have heard both sri guruguhAgrajam and
sri guhAgrjam in the AP.
Ramaprasad
- From: pANini (@ socks1b.rochester.ibm.com)
on: Wed Jan 24 22:54:22
Thanks.Ramaprasad and Kartik.
The construct of the line kunjara mukha tyAgarAja poshanam makes it very hard to accept it as authentic. or is it kunjara mukham?
- From: Ramaprasad K V (@ 204.154.176.49)
on: Thu Jan 25 10:54:44
Panini ,
That was a slip on my part ..
Ramaprasad K V
- From: kartik (@ 203.200.0.10)
on: Thu Jan 25 11:15:07
MD has composed 'MarwaGadhi Malini' in the raga Marwa.SGMDNS-SNDPMGRS set to MayaMalavaGowla scale.The Raga is MayaMalavaGowla Janyam.My knowledge if Hindustani music tells me that Marwa is hamsanandi with Re as Vaadi swar and nishad as samvadi.MD was in contact with N.Indians.THen how the difference?
- From: S (@ wwwgate281.motorola.com)
on: Fri Jan 26 04:24:28
Kartik, the name of the raga ( mAruva ) occurs in the line mAruvakAdimAlinI. Dikshitar has composed in janyams of mayamalavagowlam, emploting both the madhyamam-s - examples are rAmakali, mArgadEshi and the aforementioned mAruva. The m1 dominates in all these kritis.
I think it is Muthiah Bhagavatar who started composing in hamsAnandi, scalically equivalent to the northern sohni/marwa.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ nas-133-40.nyc-t.navipath.net)
on: Fri Jan 26 18:44:57
Swati Tirunal may have preceded Muthiah Bhagavatar in this although Narayana Tirtha, PDasa, arunagiriNatha etc. all seem to have krities in Hamsanandi.
MMGowla kriti of MD, has all charana words beginning with syllable Ma, pointed out by Narayanan very early in this thread, but probably not swara-akshara. It should be interesting to see if the Chakra grouping names of the mela schemes are buried in the MD krities.
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