Topic started by Narayanan on Wed Sep 29 08:15:12 .
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The topic actually Should read "Light Moments in Carnatic Music".
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- From: Narayan (@ 194.193.249.33)
on: Wed Sep 29 08:19:49
Let me start with Sri Ramnad Krishnan. He is a Saivite and used to crack jokes and comment on Vaishnavites.
He used to say that only 4 vaishnavites (Iyengar) do not do any harm. They are
1. Child Iyengar.
2. Dead Iyengar
3. Yet to be born Iyengar
4. Sleeping Iyengar
- From: Gopal (@ htc.prt.com)
on: Wed Sep 29 10:16:33
The following was told by one of my friend. I don't know if this is true but I laughed for 10 mts after listening to this.To get the real effect I've tried to put the exact tamil literation.
It seems once Maharajapuram Viswanatha Iyer was supposed to give a concert in a wedding ceremony at Tanjore.
The bride's father requested that his son (bride's brother) play the Mridangam for MV Iyer. He also added that his son is budding artist.
MV Iyer agreed on the matter. After the concert wa s over , the following happened.
Bride's Father (BF): En Son Eppadi vaasichaan?
MVI: Avan enga en paatukku vasichaan. "Avan pattukku" vasichidindiundhan.
BF musters some courage and questions MVI.
BF: Enna aanalum neenga avanukku thani AAvarthana kotduthirukkanum!
MVI: Oh! Atha kekkarela !!Kutchery poora avan thania thane vasichindirundhan. Athanalathan...
Hope you enjoyed it!!
- From: Narayanan (@ 194.193.249.33)
on: Wed Sep 29 11:17:56
There is another Incident about MVI. In one of his concerts, after the actual concert is over, MVI was chatting with the Sabha people and there were a lot of public nearby. Semmangudi, who is MVI's disciple had come just then to the sabha. He prostrated in front of his guru. Immediately MVI said loudly,
"Ellaarum nee Sevikkaradhai Parthaachu Podhum Ezhundukko!"
- From: Narayanan (@ 194.193.249.33)
on: Wed Sep 29 11:19:52
Another Example of Ramnad Krishnan's pranks on Vaishnavites. If he sees a person with a Naaman in his forehead, RK immediately asks "Neenga Iyengaar aa ?" If the person says "Yes", RK replies, "Oho.. Naangaellaam Brahmanaa...".
- From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg)
on: Wed Sep 29 23:16:18
There are lot of subbudu's comments. One i heard recently in his interview:
Q: what do you think of the new age carnatic singers?
Subbudu: ippollaam neraya per paada vanthuttaa. gayatri, sudha, sowmya, semiya, uppumaa ippadi..
(Sorry, you need to know tamil to appreciate this.)
- From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu)
on: Thu Sep 30 10:32:16
nArAyaNan,
the last one (nAnga brAhmaNA) was a very good one. :-)))))))
- From: Jayakar Sundararaman (@ 205.218.33.2)
on: Thu Dec 2 16:23:00
After a wedding reception performance by the late Shri. Ariyakudi Ramanuja Iyengar, the groom's father told the music legend: Your recital now is much superior to what you sang last year. Ariyakudi replied " Ivvidam pattu appidiye dhaan irukku. Avvidam dhaan gnaanam konjam vandhirukku. Adhanal dhaan appidi theriyaradhu"
- From: Sarav (@ wstisp1c01.ml.com)
on: Tue Jan 25 14:54:52 EST 2000
>Subbudu: ippollaam neraya per paada vanthuttaa. gayatri, sudha, sowmya, semiya, uppumaa ippadi..
If it was told for humor thats ok.. But Does anyone think that these kind of comments will encorage youngsters?? I heard Sowmya is doing some kind of new programs(Raganubhava), that more explains the Bhavas of Ragas.. Recently 'Sowmya and Sashikiran' presented this program that explains various aspects of raga Sahaana. For more info have a look @ http://www.sangeetham.com/raganubhava/sahana.htm
I HATE these kind of comments.. I think nobody is inferior to anybody.. Everybody has their own intellegence..
Can I say "Ippollaam nerayapear criticize panna vanthuttaa subbudu appudu-nnu.. Vaaikku vanthathalellaam sollidaraa!!"..
Sorry if you feel I'm wrong.
Thanks,
Sarav.
- From: Sree (Puduhai Sreeram) (@ 134.243.96.152)
on: Wed Jan 26 09:11:52 EST 2000
That's not applicable for Subbudu. He's been around a real looooong time. He's not a neophyte. He's known for scathing attacks on performers. He's a critic and that's his job. He's also given nice reviews for mellowed artistes and good performances of even a beginner.
That joke may be Subbudu's attempt at humor and sometimes humor offends some people -- case in point, polish jokes, sardar jokes, limmericks etc.,. One thing though - this is nothing compared to his attacks on stalwarts of yesteryears. Music ciritics are often quite knowledgeable and do a great and thankless job of separating men from the boys or women from the girls, as the case may be. Without naming names, let me add that there are young artistes who need to go a long way before getting mellowed and induce sowkhyam in music. Today everyone gets rave reviews for just getting on the stage or for releasing CDs or whatever. We gotta accept that they are doing a great job of "popularising" carnatic music. But it may not appeal to a critic who believes Carnatic Music to be steeped in tradition and simply praise their performance when it is not up to the mark. Singing in false voice and series of repeating swarams at neck breaking speed do not reveal ones manodharmam. It may tickle the audience and may earn applause but that's a disservice to the beauty and depth of C. Music.
There's been a disturbing trend in carnatic music rasika circle these days. We seem to give standing ovations to even mediocre concerts and heap adulations on not-so-deserving artistes. It's the critic that brings in some semblence of sanity in these heady days of praising anyone and everyone.
Sorry, had to steam off a bit.... ;-)
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp91.buffnet.net)
on: Thu Feb 24 03:50:07 EST 2000
I once attended a Pandit Jasraj concert.
As is usual in such concerts, there is a lot of pomp and occasion, as the audience and singer try to recreate some grand court ambience. Several ladies dressed gaudily and with full war-paint (makeup) make it a point to go to the powder-room and return with a lot of flourish. Jasraj seemed to actually relish this and not mind it even if it happened right in front of him, right during his renditions. The organisers didn't control it either.
As usual, Jasraj was treated like a rock star and there were several, raucous calls from the cheap seats for him to sing his pet piece 'Mataa Kali Ka' in Adaana, ( an upper octave Darbari Kanada of sorts ).
With a mischievous smile at the attention-hungry ladies flitting in front of him, he said
' Ab kya gaaunga Mata Kali Ka ?
Mata Kaliyan sab ja rahe hain ! '
What Mata Kali Ka am I going to sing now ?
All the Mata Kalis are leaving !
- From: Siva (@ firestorm3.imrglobal.co.jp)
on: Thu Feb 24 05:34:15 EST 2000
Sree:
I agree with you totally on the present day. Looks like carnatic music is racing away in its path of globalisation. Break neck speed seems to be the name of the game. Everybody wants to sing akara Sangathis whether or not they are able to do it properly. Raga Alapanas seem to be a jet cruise with no time both for the artist and the audience to digest.
Also people have a set of krithis to sing which make it very stale. You could bet your life savings on what each artist would sing in a given raga and most of them do not give a performance but just execution - the same sangathis and the same speed. "Anubavichu padaradhu" is just not there in many concert singers of the day
- From: Narayanan (@ 195.224.238.98)
on: Thu Feb 24 05:49:47 EST 2000
Sree/Siva:
I remember once listening to a Semmangudi kutchery on tape. The main RTP was over, and he had sung a couple of Thukkaadas as well (almost 3 hrs). It started raining heavily outside and the crowd could not go anywhere. Semmangudi spole on the mike and said "Velleela Mazhaila nanaiyaradhukku ulla Sangetha mazhaiyile innum konjam ninaiyungo" and started singing Sankarabharanam. The concert continued for another 1.5 hours with Sankarabharanam and another Tani from PMI. One of the great concerts i have ever heard. Such was the dedication of artists then. It is so pathetic to see the attitude of today's artists. We do need more Subbudus...
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aappp10.buffnet.net)
on: Thu Feb 24 06:41:19 EST 2000
I am curious about how seriously the Vidwans took Subbudu or others, if at all.
Critics of this style ( newspaper ) flourish in the Western concept and exert an influence on an artist since thes opinion can matter to organisers , future engagements etc. In Western art etc. such a critic carries enormous influence on careers.
I wonder how the artists today react or care or how they can be made to , if needed?
- From: Sree (@ 134.243.96.152)
on: Thu Feb 24 16:44:28 EST 2000
I heard somewhere that Yesudas refuses to sing anywhere where Subbudu is present. SVK of The Hindu is highly respected and his opinions count. I don't think artistes care too much about "matrum palar" reviewers. ;-)
Reviews do have an effect on artistes. I remember a thread in rmic newgroup that was unkind to Sowmya's performance that day up in Flint, MI. Later somebody who hosted her wrote that she was defending herself etc.,. etc.,. Anyway, the point is artistes do look at these reviews.
- From: siva (@ clw.imrglobal.com)
on: Mon Feb 28 08:03:22 EST 2000
Narayanan:
While artistes do need to respect the critics what we need is an unbiased opinion and not because I did not smile at the critic/ prostrate before him (typical Tamil Nadu style) the previous day before the kutcheri. I have heard that there was a one violinist who had planned to file a defamation suit for subuddu's comments on the concerts. It should not be also that critics should not look for cheap publicity using their position.
I saw a recent review (Dec Season) of Nityashree where the reviewer commented that her voice in uchastai was like Nadaswaram (probably referring to a cassette where she is accompanied by Thavil)
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aeppp11.buffnet.net)
on: Thu Mar 2 12:44:24 EST 2000
There is GNB concert where during Pantuvarali, I think, Chowdiah speaks up , challenging those who claimed that GNB could miss his sruti, to be there to witness what GNB was doing. Everyone seems to have a big laugh at this. anyone else heard this ??
In this context, can anyone comment how the bhashaanga swara migrates during Murchana or sruti-Bhedam ( for Janya ragas ) of , say, Bilahari to Yadukula Kamboji. If GNB was overdoing this and missing the transform of this swara it could have been one problem. Thanks
- From: Isai Rasigai (@ dialup-63.210.151.36.boston1.level3.net)
on: Thu Mar 2 13:22:16 EST 2000
In a Trichur. V. Ramachandran concert, there was this guy on the thamburaa... he seemed to be moving away from the vocalist for some wierd reason and V.R. was patiently asking him to come forward so he could listen to the thambura sruthi better... this was going on for almost more than an hour... then an impatient V.R. sang "sonnadhei seidhida" :).... houseful auditorium broke into laughter ::)))
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