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Given below is a site created as a dedication to the carnatic caliber of ilaiyaraaja. Would like to have your comments. Let us discuss and talk about the carnatic wizardy of raja...
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- From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19)
on: Fri Apr 30 04:42:11 EDT 2004
Purv,
Chinna chinna - kapi flavour irkira maadhiri theriyala...adhan ketten..
Rajesh,
One post like that and i get the strength & motivation to take ten more steps ahead in my efforts.
Thanks to you.
BTW, i had mentioned keyboard, because that is the only instrument i have tried to play.
- From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19)
on: Thu May 13 01:39:58 EDT 2004
Some Puzzling Combinations that ilaiyaraja has handled in his music
There are some puzzling combinations of songs/situations that ilaiyaraja has composed tune for
a) Thalaatugalil pala vagai
Sugamaana thalaattu - Varam thantha saamillu (sippikkul muthu)
Kolai seiyyum thalaattu - Mannava Mannava (walter vetrivel)
Sudugaatil thalattu / Oppari pondra thalaattu - piraiye piraiye (pithamagan)
b) Kadhalil Pala Vagai
Vayadhu varaadha kadhal / siru vayadhu kadhal - Anandha ragam (panneer pushpangal)
Vayadhu mudhirndha kadhal - Poongaatru thirumbuma (Mudhal Mariyaadhai)
c) Kadhala Kaamama ?
Kadhal Mattum - Maniye Mani kuyile (Nadodi thendral)
Kaamam mattum - Sandhana Marbile - same movie
d) Thaambathiya Vedhanai
Manaiviyin vedhanai - nalladhor veenai seidhe (marubadiyum)
kanavanin vedhanai (keladi kanmani)
e) Kadhal venduma, kudumbam vendumaa
idhu sangeedha thirunaalam (kadhalukku mariyaadhai)
ennai thalaatta varuvaala (kadhalukku mariyaadhai) [note why he uses the same tune]
f) Malaikka Vaikkum Raaga Prayogam
Sogamaana ragathil sandhoshamaana padal - Aayiram thamarai mottukale in subhapanthuvarali
Sandhoshamaana ragathil soga padal - Vellai pura onru ponadhu kaiyil varaamale in Pudhu kavidhai in kalyani
Sandhoshamaana raagathil sogamaana padal - Malligai malai katti from pudhiya ragam in Mohanam ragam
g) Hero or Comedian?
Hero comedy'aaga paadum paatu - Maamavukku kudumma (Punnagai mannan)
Comedian's heroism - Ettana irundha ettooru empaattu - sung by Vadivelu
h) Thaimai Paasam - Tholaithavan Vs Meendum Sernthavan
Thaaiyai meendum serndha paadal - Chinna thayaval (thalabadhi)
Thaayai thulaithu vittu magan paadum paadal - yen thaayenum koyilai from (aranmanai kili)
i) Post marital bliss
Legal mudhal iravu - Muthu mani maalai (chinna kounder)
illegal affair - chittu kuruvi (Chinna veedu)
j) Village innocence
Gramathu veguliyin pithukuli paatu - aatukutti muttai ittu (16 vayadhinile)
Gramathu pithukuliyin vegulithanamaana paatu - Naan yaaru enakedhum (chinna jameen)
k) Kaadhalin Contrasting Effect
Muradanin menmaiyaana kadhal - pattu vanna selaikaari (engeyo ketta kural) or malai en vedhanai (from Sedhu)
Menmaiyaanavanin Murattu Kadhal - Paartha vizhi (Guna)
l) Marrying Different Worlds of Music
Folk/Dapaanguthu in carnatic mould - Yerikarai poongaatre (thooral ninnu ochu) in shankarabharanam ragam
Carnatic in folk/dapaanguthu mould - Machi mannaru (ennuyir thozhan) in pukka mayamalawagowlai ragam
m) Man is a Social Animal
Vilangugalai patri paatu - Nari kadhai - Moondram pirai
Vilangugalodu serndhu oru paattu - sonna padi kelu (singaravelan)
n) Cookery Time
Samaiyalai seiyya oru paattu - Enna samaiyalo (U.M.Thambi)
Samaiyalai rusi paarkavum oru paattu - thooku sattiya thooki paathu (ejaman)
o) Better Half's Poor Health
Buthi pedhalitha pennukku aanin thalaattu - kanne kalaimaane - moonram pirai
Nilai thadumaariya aanukku pennin paatu - Manasu mayangum - sippikkul muthu
p) Jalli kattu - thamizhanin veera vilaiyaatu
Kalaiyai adukuvadharkku oru pattu - Pechi Pechi (Enga Ooru Pattu Kaaran)
Kalaiyai adakiadharkaaga oru paatu - Kombula poova suthi (Virumaandi)
- From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19)
on: Fri May 14 08:11:01 EDT 2004
Hi All,
Maestro has had astounding success in creating a visual image of a particular effect/mood/emotion through his music. Here are some of those masterly works...
a) Oh Butterfly - idhula interlude musics'la oru pattam-boochi parakkum effect unara mudiyum...Kanna moodi kaetta, naamale butterfly maadhiri parakara oru feel kidaikkum ..this is world class music at its emotional best.
b) Thaalatudhe vaanam - you instantly connect this song with sea travel...i just dont know how...close ur eyes and listen, you can feel urself sailing in deep sea.....same with "megam karukayile" from vaidhegi kathirundhaal...that initial choru "aaha oho yehe hoi" is in nutshell the rowing image, musically coined for users to relate to the situation..
c) The moonlight song - unna vida indha ulagathil from virumaandi - this is a song created for the dark skies of the night...it is just impossible to picturize this song in broad day light...its tailor made to perfection to suit night effect...the interlude musics are strong proof for the same...
d) Piraiye piraiye - at any given time only one instrument plays at a time...thats probably a technique to hint how lonely the person is...now take the prelude...mudhalla oru female humming varum, adhai thodarndhu madhu balakrishnan'ona humming...i guess the first was for the mother who gives birth and the male humming says the child is now handed over to the vettiyan.
The musical symbolisation of death, cremation, the nothingness after cremation (sooniyam) and another death following this one endlessly, is captured in four different musical bits in the first interlude BGM...listen again, and you will know.
Overall, there had just been a death and a birth....the song is thus tuned mid-way between a oppaari to a thaalaattu.
e) Nadham en jeevane - kadhal oviyam - in the charanams, there is a line "nadhigal jadhigal paadume"...it is followed by a brief and brilliant piece for 4 or 5 seconds...without a second thought, even without knowing the preceeding lines, you can tell that it was to symbolize the flow of river that follows a musical rythm...pls listen to this song again...
f) Manasu Mayangum - Sippikkul Muthu - It is the female who sings a line, and the male follows by repeating what the female sings....It has to be, as the hero is totally ignorant (ondrum theriyaadhavan) of the roles he has to assume, even after he tied the nupital knot. This "male voice following female voice" trend continues till second charanam. Then the pallavi is repeated for the last time, but now - see what has happened...the male takes full control. The roles are now reversed, and the female voice repeats what the male sings...It is because the teaching and learning roles are now reversed...the hero now dominates while female is sub-dued....what a brilliant & clever thought from maestro...
g) Poongatru pudhidhaanadhu - Moonram pirai - i would any other MD would have tuned a slow paced song, and just for the train sequence, he would have inserted a real "shuk chuk" sound of a train...IR conceived this very differently...He decides to use the tempo of the train to be the pace of the entire song...so the song starts and ends like a bullet train, with a stunningly sedate charanams which still fits the overall "fast track" mould of the song...weird and baffling is it not...
Now for the train sequence...a trains siren (with some violins)...then actual puffing of the arriving train, muscially converted by string instruments...that train tempo has been uniformly maintained throught the song...
....and you know it the moment that electric prelude hits u hard...that a truly electric song is on its way !!!!!
- From: veer (@ ppp-219.65.118.238.chn.vsnl.net.in)
on: Fri May 14 10:57:12 EDT 2004
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- From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19)
on: Sat May 15 01:49:09 EDT 2004
hi friend,
Please keep this thread clean. Lets avoid filthy language, as this is a public forum. If you didnt like the thread, kindly stay away. Thank you for your co-operation :-)
- From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19)
on: Sat May 15 02:57:34 EDT 2004
Hi all,
Some more on Piraiye Piraiye song...beautifully composed in raga Panthuvarali...
There are four distinct parts (musical bits) in the first charanam of piraiye piraiye...i guess this how one should look at it...
first flute bit: Note how it is tuned as if air is rapidly escaping out of the holes of the flute...this stands for death. The life giving air (prana) escaping the body...
second bit: thagikkum thee jwalaiiku indha bit evvalavu porutham...
third bit: ellam vendhu saambal aagi poga, oru "nothingness"...sooniyathil nilaippu endru kannadasan solluvaare, adhu pola...oru vidhadhathil ellam izhandha vitta oruvanin olam pola olikkum musical bit
fourth bit: meendum andha first flute bit...marubadiyum oru maranam...marubadiyum engeyo oru udalil irundhu uyir pirigiradhu (moongil ootaigalin vazhiye kaatru pirivadhu pola oru flute bit)...ivan vaazhkayil maranam oru dhinasari vishayam enbadhu pola...
Take the second interlude...maranathai nidhamum parthu parthu marathu ponavanin mano-nilaiyai, andha verumaiyai, thanimaiyin valiyai arpudhamaaga isaiyaal unarthi irukiraar ilaiyaraja..
Overall, andha song'la mostly oru instrument than isaikka padum (at any given time)...that was a figurative attempt probably to showcase the vettiyan's loneliness...
- From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19)
on: Fri May 21 02:22:53 EDT 2004
!!! People...
I just now received my PROJECT GEM CDs through the ProjectGem initiative by ilaiyaraaja fans club...this is unbelievable effort by club member (Mr.Prashant). He has meticulously written down my postal address all by himself, packaged it neatly and has taken all due care to reach it to my place...hold ur breath, he also calls up & follws it up.
The CDs have the stamp "specially produced for ilaiyaraja fans club", printed on the cover. The styling is cool.
So much for the sheer passion for a legendary composer's sterling quality music. Get it, if you havent ordered it already. The speciality is the audio companies, in order to please the fans, are also including BGM bits too, along with some films.
- From: purv (@ 198.38.6.253)
on: Fri Jun 4 15:11:37 EDT 2004
Vel, 'Sola Pasungkiliye' uses Ga2, thus I don't think its raagam is Vakhulabharanam, but rather Sindhu Bhairavi.
Furthermore, since 'Chinna Chinna Cholleduthu' also touches Ni3 and Ma1, shouldn't that song be considered Pahadi rather than Mohanam?
Just a few points to ponder over.
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