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What are your views, info, and ideas on Swati Thirunal??? |
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- From: Sree (@ 134.243.55.12)
on: Wed Dec 8 11:21:11
Name : H.H. Sri Padmanabha Dasa, Vanchipala, Sri Ramavarma Kulasekara Perumal. As he was born in the asterism of swathi he was called swathi thirunAl (custom adopted by the Royal House of Travancore)
Parents : Rajaraja varma and Rani Lakshmi Bai
DOB: 16th April 1813. He was garbha-srimAn (pre-natal sovereign)
Ascended the throne: 20th April 1829
Passed Away : 25th December 1847
* Composed in six languages : Sanskrit, Malayalam, Telugu, Marathi, Hindi and Urdu. He has some in Tamil as well and this is considered controversial.
* Was a contemporary of Tyagaraja. Both never met but ST heard a lot about T through T's direct disciple Kanniah Bhagavathar who visited Travancore.
* Often used mudra is padmanAbhA and kamalanAbhA. There are 20+ other mudras of his.
* There were many famous musicians in his court. Prominent ones include: paramEswara bhAgavathar, tanjavUr quartet (Ponniah, Chinniah, Sivanandam and Vadivelu), ravi varman thambi and kanniah bhAgavathar.
* Said to have composed more than 300. Famous compositions are:
pannagEndra sayanA - rAgamAlikA
dasAvathAra rAgamAlikA
bhavayAmi raghurAmam - originally set by ST to sAvEri, set to rAgamAlikA later.
sArasAksha paripAlaya - pantuvarAli
chalamEla - shankarAbaranam - ata tAla varnam (one of the best ata tAla varnams)
* Veena Balachandra stirred a lot of controversy about ST.
* Semmangudi did a lot in popularising ST's composition when he spent some time in Travancore.
- From: Ramji (@ 205.177.170.104)
on: Wed Dec 8 12:12:20
My favorites:
paripalaya - Panthuvarali
Pankaja Lochana - Kalyani
- From: Mani (@ spider-tm033.proxy.aol.com)
on: Wed Dec 8 15:06:33
He was the only one who established Kerala's name in Carnatic music history...
- From: Diwakar (@ 206.175.177.171)
on: Wed Dec 8 16:38:15
Other popular compositions :
Paripalayamam - Reetigowlai
Tillana in Dhanashree
Deva Deva - Mayamalavagowlai
- From: Sree (@ 134.243.96.152)
on: Fri Dec 10 09:15:04
Add krupayApAlaya saurE in chArukEsi. T.V.Shankaranarayanan sang this in 1995/6 Music Academy concert
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp2559.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Mon Dec 13 17:37:41
some of my favourites are: Gopanandana valaripunuta pada in Bhushavali, Jaya jaya padmanabha murare in Manirangu, Bhogindrashayinam in Kuntalavarali, Devi jagajjanani in Shankarabharana and Rajivaksha baro also in Shankarabharana. By the way Ramji mentioned Paripalaya in Pantuvarali. I think he meant Sarasaksha Paripalaya. There is a Paripalayamam in Ritigaula.
- From: Narayanan (@ 195.224.238.98)
on: Tue Dec 14 04:20:14
My favourites are "Rama Rama Pahi" in Devagandhari
Deva Deva - Mayamalavagowlai, Smaraththinum - Behag, Mamava Sadhaa Janani - Kaanada, Maamava - Naatakurinji, Bhujaga Saayino - Yadhukula Kambodhi...
- From: Ramji (@ 205.177.170.116)
on: Tue Dec 14 14:36:00
I meant "paripaalaya", one of GNB's master pieces, and not saaraaksha paripaalaya.
- From: giriju (@ 131.241.26.63)
on: Mon Dec 20 15:57:19
I saw a posting 'He (Swathi Thirunal) was the only one who established Kerala's name in Carnatic music history...'.
There was his contemporary Shadkala Govinda Maarar (it is said Thiyagaraja's 'Entharo Mahanubavulu' refers to him). Marar was an exponent of Sobhana Sangeetham.
Can any music lover throw some more light on Sobhana Sangeetham? Is it a subset of Karnatic music?
- From: Mani (@ spider-wa084.proxy.aol.com)
on: Mon Dec 20 18:26:36
When I said Swati Thirunal was the only one to put Kerala's name on the Carnatic music history, I meant he was the most well known, still his compositions are sung pretty much by Balamurali Krishna, GNB, etc.....
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp7801.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Tue Dec 21 12:53:35
Mani:
Svati Tirunal's compositions have been popularized by Semmangudi Shrinivasa Iyer, K.V.Narayasvami and of course M.S.Subbulakshmi as well
- From: Raju (@ spider-to081.proxy.aol.com)
on: Thu Dec 23 08:03:34
My favourite is "Mamavasadha Janani" rendered by
GNB in KAanada
- From: Rageshree (@ spider-wj042.proxy.aol.com)
on: Fri Dec 24 17:04:18
Did Swathi Thirunal Maharajah really compose
these krithis? just wondering!! According to
late S.Balachandar- Swathi Thirunal never existed?
Again he was correct in proving that Balamurali Krishna did not invent any new ragas - Music Academy kept silence and BMK stopped using the
title "Sangeetha Kalanidhi" .. any comments!! But
BMK still claim that he invented new ragas and talas??
- From: Mani (@ spider-ta083.proxy.aol.com)
on: Sat Dec 25 09:35:13
From: Rageshree (@ spider-wj042.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Dec 24 17:04:18
>>>According to
late S.Balachandar- Swathi Thirunal never existed?<<<
Well, according to S. Balachander, I think he lacked knowledge SOMEWHERE in Carnatic music history, Thirunal established Kerala's name in Carnatic music history, if he never existed, why is his compositions still recited even to this day??
- From: Sree (@ 134.243.96.152)
on: Mon Dec 27 10:29:17
Mani,
That's what the controversy is all about...
Dr. Balachander is a rabble-rouser. Nevertheless he's quite a knowledgeable person.
As for singing "his" compositions... well.. it is quite plausible that the original composers could have been Tanjore quartet, Parameshwara Baghavathar et al.,.. Anyway, both Balachander and ST are quite controversial and learned socities have kept mum on this topic and perhaps we should too. ;-)
- From: Senu (@ daprx02.ext.nokia.com)
on: Wed Jan 5 16:55:42 EST 2000
Swati Thirunal also invited Hindustani musicians
to the darbar and composed "Khayal" and "Drupad" compositions.
e.g. "Chaliye Kunjana...."
ST encouraged both Carnatic and Hindustani Sangeet ...
Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer says the following
about Swati Thirunal: "He was a remarkable man.
No wonder he was crowned at 16. Swati Thirunal
died when he was 33, but within that short span
of life, composed nearly 400 kirtans. We have
processed around 200 of these. The Maharajas
of Mysore, Cochin and Ramanathapuram also were
great patrons of Carnatic music."
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aappp48.buffnet.net)
on: Sat Feb 12 06:34:45 EST 2000
Swati Tirunal's most widespread piece has to be the famous Kamboji varnam Sarasijanabha. I venture to say it must be in the top 5 of the most sung or played pieces ever. ( due to countless students etc. )
ST also has an interesting Mangalam in Yadukula K. Bhujagashayino ( has been sung by KVN ).
I think the Yadukula Kamboji (YK) flavor of Kerala is unique and well used in dance there. To me, it differs somewhat from conventional YK treatments.
Another pretty kriti of ST is Gopalaka Pahimam in Revagupti ( which differs only in gandharam from Bhupalam )
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp15.buffnet.net)
on: Mon Feb 14 02:01:47 EST 2000
Must also note 'Deva deva Jagadiswara' in the
Deshya raga, Purvi Kalyani sung often by semmangudi and KVN.
also Paripaalaya Sarasiruhalochana (I have heard GNB in this ) in Pantuvarali.
It is, however, surprisingly difficult to identify as widely prevalent krities , such as listed in this thread, for any other Carnatic composers from Kerala (pre-1900), royal family or otherwise.
Only Parameswara Bhagavatar's Natta varnam Sarasija comes to mind readily.
- From: siva (@ firestorm3.imrglobal.co.jp)
on: Mon Feb 14 03:14:57 EST 2000
A lot of krithis of ST are sung by KVN. There is a tape released by Tharangini ( I suppose) sung by KVN on Swathi tirunal's compositions. Most of them have been covered above. Nobody has made a mention about his padams. "Aliveni endu Cheyyum" is one that has been sung by KVN. Bhujaga as mentioned by "Nadopasaka" is also an interesting mangalam and is excellent to listen to.
The other artist who sings ST is Neyyantinkara Vasudevan (from kerala)
- From: siva (@ firestorm3.imrglobal.co.jp)
on: Mon Feb 14 03:16:44 EST 2000
There is also no mention about manipravalam style of composition. I thought he was famous for that. could someone clarify
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp15.buffnet.net)
on: Mon Feb 14 04:56:36 EST 2000
I find it odd that there are no krities by Swati Tirunal in Abhogi or Bageshree while there are in Bhimpalas and Brindavana saranga. All are deshya ragas and janyas of Kharaharapriya ! ( also none in either Abheri or Hamir Kalyani)
While there is just one kriti listed for ST in Kharaharapriya itself there appears to be nothing in Harikamboji ( which Dikshitar or Syama Sastri did not favor either ). This need confirming.
any comments ?
( my source: Bhagyalakshmi's text published in Trivandrum, which seems like a
reliable source for material on ST )
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp2641.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Mon Feb 14 19:52:45 EST 2000
Nadopasaka:
You are right about ST not having composed in Abhogi, Bageshri or Abheri. But there is one kriti Satatam tavaka pada sevanam karavani in Kharaharapriya and two kritis Gangeyavasana dhara padmanabha and Karunanidhan kunj ke bihari tumhari bansi (hindi) in Hamirkalyani. There is the tillana in Dhanashri which is close to Abheri.
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp2589.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Mon Feb 14 20:05:45 EST 2000
Nadopasaka:
I forgot to add the info on ST's manipravala kritis in my last posting. Here it is.
Kanta tava pizha jnananendu cheyden - Athana
Manasi dussahamayyo madana - Ahiri
Naga shayanam shri padma bhanu - Kamavardhini
Nilappuri kuzhalale niraja nabha - Yadukulakambhoji
Pankajakshaman ramesha ninganatava - Todi
Parttu padum - Nilambari
Prana nayaka mam pahi - Dhanyasi
Suradindu samamukha - Kambhoji
Valayunniha jnanaisham vinnulaga - Varali
- From: Nadopasaka (@ afppp42.buffnet.net)
on: Mon Feb 14 22:04:55 EST 2000
Thanks Lakshman,
Can you or anyone else comment on the following:
It is, however, surprisingly difficult to identify as widely prevalent krities , such as listed in this thread, for any other Carnatic composers from Kerala (pre-1900), royal family or otherwise.
Only Parameswara Bhagavatar's Natta varnam Sarasija comes to mind readily.
- From: Prasad (@ hoproxy1.proxy.lucent.com)
on: Tue Feb 15 04:07:04 EST 2000
I have heard a piece Karunajaladakshe in Karaharapriya sung by Dr Omanakkutty
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