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He is indeed one of the Greatest Composers in Music History. I am in a process of collecting and learning his works (trying to !!!). This page is for posting information about references to audio clips of Dikshitar krithis so that it will be of much use to Dikshitar "fans" like myself. |
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- From: Dr.Shrikaanth K. Murthy (@ acba1a03.ipt.aol.com)
on: Mon Mar 1 14:03:47 EST 2004
As for shodasha=16, in classical iconology texts, Ganesha is described in 32 standard forms of which 16 are famous. also 16 would be expected to hold special significance for M. Dikshitar -a shrividya upasaka as lalita tripurasundari is shodashAkshari[ 16 bIjAksharas as you can see from lalitA trishati- 15 being open and 1being turIya or secret
- From: Dr,Shrikaanth K.Murthy (@ acba1a03.ipt.aol.com)
on: Mon Mar 1 14:12:00 EST 2004
Dear nadopasaka
the rAgamudra is I think not in pAkaripu but in "chinmAtre sevita [ramAharIsha] vidhAtre" sorry I could not underline and hence am using brackets
- From: Nadopasaka (@ core-dc-3-234.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net)
on: Mon Mar 1 20:04:20 EST 2004
Yes, you are correct. It would be interesting to find out what is the Ganapatis status and role in Srividya ?
- From: Dr. Shrikaanth K. Murthy (@ cache-loh-ac06.proxy.aol.com)
on: Sat Mar 6 10:14:35 EST 2004
dear nadopasaka
Ganapati is one of the dvAdaSapramukha upAsakas[ 12 foremost proponents/ practitioners] of SrIvidya as is mentioned in lalitOpAkhyAna[ and many other references]- the others being- sUrya, candra, Siva, viSNu, kubEra, agastya, skanda[muruga], manmatha, brahma, indra, agni . The same is also mentioned in the 97th pA of abhirAmi andAdi.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ core-dc-4-224.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net)
on: Sun Mar 7 15:26:11 EST 2004
Yes, of course. The Ganapati also resides in Chaturdala lotus cf. Saveri Krklbhmkm and also referred to in Hmsdhwni, shri. what is his status vis a vis a consort if given in the Srividya ?
- From: Dr.Shrikaanth K.Murthy (@ cache-loh-ac06.proxy.aol.com)
on: Sun Mar 7 20:54:27 EST 2004
Indeed Ganapati is known to reside in the caturdala padma in the mUlAdhAra cakra. He is cnsidered to guard the cakra which is the entry point of the kundalini.As far as I am aware, he does not have a consort in this rUpa of his.Although the kundalini and the rise of the kundalini Sakti upwards from the mUlAdhAra through the othter 5 cakras into the sahasrAra is intimately connected with SrIvidyA, I am not sure how these cakras are connected structurally to the SrIcakra. If my understanding is right, the bindu and 9th Avarana[or is it the whole SrIcakra?] are in the sahasrAra.
However ganapati is described in the texts as having a consort in some of his various forms[ aka SODaSaganapati]-ucciStha, Sakti, mahA, Urdhwa etc. I think the mUlAdhAra ganapti does not fall in the realm of the 16 forms.I cannot offhand remember his physical place in the Sricakra. Iam not even sure he has one[ viSnu`s 10 incarnations do have a place as is clear from MD`s krtis.He is described aa trikOna madyagatam. Which trikOna is this? There is no caturala padma in the 9 Avaranas. And Ganapati is not mentioned in the text of the navAvarana kris but only in the dhyAna krti in gaula. any thoughts on this to throw further lght?
- From: Nadopasaka (@ core-dc-3-245.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net)
on: Thu Mar 11 12:47:01 EST 2004
Cant comment on most of your post re chakras. But appearance of word Guruguha (cf. Guruguha jananyaam etc) in Kmlmba krities ...is this just MD mudra related or does this deity differ from the Ganapati in the appropriate chakra ?
- From: Dr.ShrikaanthK. Murthy (@ acbec6bb.ipt.aol.com)
on: Fri Mar 12 13:00:18 EST 2004
Guruguha means subrahmanya[muruga, the guha as the teacher]. It is of course the mudra as well
- From: Nadopasaka (@ core-dc-4-103.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net)
on: Fri Mar 12 20:27:31 EST 2004
Yes, but unlike Ganapati does the Srichakra admit this deity ?
- From: Dr.ShrikaanthK. Murthy (@ acbe397b.ipt.aol.com)
on: Sat Mar 13 11:42:51 EST 2004
As I wrote earlier, Subrahmanya is one of the dvAdaSa upAsakas and also appears in his femainine form-kaumAri in the first cakra-trailokyamohana along wth the other seven mAtrkAs[ brAhmi, maheSvari, kaumAri, vaiShnavi, vArAhi, indrANi, cAmunDA & mahAlakSmi].
Going back to my own query earlier about the mUladhara et al, these cakras are mentioned in the 5th navAvarana krti in bhairavi[ mUlAdi navAdhAra vyAvrtta]. Going back to ganapati and the SrIcakra, i the dhyAna krti in gauLa, he is addressed as "kamalAlaya taTanivAsah" could it mean that he is on the periphery of SrIcakra aka kamalAlaya and not actually within?[ SrI means lotus also in samskrta also the SricakrA is depicted as a ltus and is lauded as the best temple in creation]
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on: Mon Mar 22 22:12:03 EST 2004
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- From: Vidya (@ user-12l2cgo.cable.mindspring.com)
on: Sat Apr 3 09:39:57 EST 2004
Could someone happen to have the following stats?
IIRC it was listed in this forum long time ago.
1.List of krtis without raga mudra - A few that come to mind are darbar, toDi
2.Ragas in which there is only one krti of Dikshitar
- From: PPN (@ n098h188.remote.mun.ca)
on: Sat Apr 3 17:29:23 EST 2004
The following statistics was possted by me two yera sback in this forum.
PPN
Statistical Analysis of Dikshitar Krithis
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Main sources:
1. Sri Muthuswami Dikshitar Keerthanaigal, Vainika Vidwan
A. Sundaram Iyer, Music Book Publishers, Madras (1989)
2. Dikshitar Keerthana mala (15 volumes)
Vina A. Sundaram Iyera (Madras)
3. Sangita Sampradaya Pradarshini (5 volumes)
Subbarama Dikshitar (Music Academy) a(1961 to 1983)
A total of 479 Krithis have been used in this analysis.
Krithis of doubtful authorship, corrupt krithis, etc
have been omitted. The only telugu composition,
a daru " nI sATi daivamuendu" in s'rIra~njani rAgaM, has
been included, even though it is devoid of the signature
"guruguha" (since it appears in Sangita Sampradaya Pradarshini,
as well as in Vina Sundaram Iyer's book,
and Subbarama Dikshitar attributes it to Dikshitar).
1. Total Number of Krithis: 479
2. Number of Melams (asampurnam) : 72
(sampoorna melam makes no sense here)
3. No. of krithis in Suddha Madyama melam: 423 = 88.3%
No. of krithis in Prati Madyama melam: 56 = 11.69%
4. Breakdown of Gods/Goddesses for these krithis:
Siva (including kalabhairava, virabhadra) 131 = 27.34%
devi 176 = 36.74%
(including lakshmi, minakshi, renuka devi, etc)
sarasvati 13 = 2.71%
Vishnu 41 = 8.55&
Rama 27 = 5.63%
krishna 14 = 2.92
Ganapathi 27 = 5.63%
Subrahmanya 36 = 7.51%
Navagraha 9 = 1.87%
Brahma 1 = 0.21%
Sasta 1 = 0.21%
Sandhya 1 = 0.21%
Ganga 1 = 0.21%
Maya (contemting, not praising) 1 = 0.21%
Krithis on dual deities: (included in the above)
Parvati + Parameswara 1 (included in siva)
Sankara + narayana 1 (included in siva)
Rama + Krishna 1 (included in rama)
5. Vaggeyakara Mudra featured in ALL 478 krithis, except the
telugu composition "nI sAti daivamendu"a in srIra~njani.
6. Raga Mudra (including suchitha (indicative) featured in 235 krithis
(99.79%). None of the sa.nkarAbharanaM and toDi krithis feature
raga mudra, except the former in one ragamalika line.
7. Krithis with Pallavi/Anupallavi/Charanam 280 = 58.46%
Krithis with Samashti Charanam 157 = 32.77%
(Most of the Vivadi mela krithis are of this type)
noTTU swara sahityams 37 = 7.72%
Krithis with Pallavi/Anupallavi/Muktayi swaram 1 = 0.21%
8. Ragamalika krithis 4 = 0.84%
9. Krithis in Upanga Ragams 102 = 21.29%
Krithis in Bhashanga ragams 179 = 37.37%
Krithis in Others 198 = 41.43%
10. Number of Ragams employed 193
10. Breakdown of numbers
1 krithi each in 97 ragams
2 44
3 14
4 15
5 8
6 6
7 3 (anandabhairavi, bhairavi, surati)
8 4 (athana, arabhi, kambhoji, todi)
11 1 (kalyani)
48 1 (sankarabharanam)
12. Maximum Number of songs in Sankarabharanam 48 = 10.02%
Maximum Number of songs in dhIraSankarabharanam melam: 96 = 20.04%
13. Krithis in major mela ragams:
todi 13 = 2.71%
mayamalavagauLa 51 = 10.64%
naTabhairavi 42 = 8.76%
Sri (~ Kharaharapriya) 57 = 11.89%
Harikedaragaula (Harikambhoji) 63 = 13.15%
dhIrasankarabharanam 96 = 20.04%
shantakalyani 27 = 5.63%
14. Number of talams employed 10
Breakdown
rupakam 138 = 28.81%
Adi 184 = 38.41%
triputa 17 = 3.54%
jhampa 11 = 2.29%
capu 60 (misra 54, khanda 6) = 12.52%
matyam 1 -
Ekam 56 (tisra 22, chaturasra 22, khanda 12) = 11.69%
15. Number of languages employed
Sanskrit 475 = 99.16%
Telugu 1 = 0.21%
Manipravalam 3 = 0.63%
(sanskrit+telugu+tamil)
16. Number of Temples featured 74
17. Other types of compositions : none
18. Notable omissions Kharaharapriya, but substituted by Rudrapriya
Diskhitar uses "srI" as the asampoorna melam 22.
19. Group Krithis on the following: (refer to an earlier Keerthana
article by the authors):
shodasa ganapathi
navagraha
kamalamba
abhaymba
nIlothpalamba
tyagaraja
guruguha
madhuramba
rama
nottu svara sahityams
vivadi mela groups on Tanjore brhadiswara/brihannayaki
20. Bhakti/Vibhakti series
kamalamba
abhaymba
nIlothpalamba
tyagaraja
guruguha
madhuramba
rama
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- From: Vidya (@ user-12l2cgo.cable.mindspring.com)
on: Sat Apr 3 19:03:55 EST 2004
Thanks PPN for the info.
The ragas that I can immediately think of which have only one krti of Dikshitar( I did not mean ekaika krti ragas but rather eka krti ragas) are:
kumudakriya, sAlakabhairavi, margadeshi , some of the mela ragas like kanakambari, ganasamavarali etc
Also Ragas without raga mudra include :
darbar , todi etc
I guess we have to discount Shankarabharanam as the mudra occurs in sadAsivam upAsmahe iirc
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