Topic started by IR_Fan (@ 202.88.154.169) on Tue Sep 25 09:41:42 .
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Given below is a site created as a dedication to the carnatic caliber of ilaiyaraaja. Would like to have your comments. Let us discuss and talk about the carnatic wizardy of raja...

http://www.geocities.com/ilaiyaragam/index.html

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• From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19) on: Fri Sep 10 01:40:57 EDT 2004
  
  purv
  
  I bought all the PROJECT GEM CDs from wherein i got to here all these hidden treasures. Its worth every damn single penny that you r going to pay, i will tell you...
  
  My gosh...You would die of awe when u get to hear many songs through PROJECT GEM CDs, which sound so unbelievable that IR had scored such music long long time ago, when u and me were babies :-)
  
  
• From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19) on: Fri Sep 10 01:44:27 EDT 2004
  
  and have u heard the songs from Ninaikka therindha maname (available also in PROJECT GEM collection)...There is a vintage IR song "ilamai radhathil iyarkai sugathil ilangiliye"...Man, what a number. :-)
  
  
• From: purv (@ res142-87.resnet.newpaltz.edu) on: Sat Sep 11 19:55:52 EDT 2004
  
  Vel, I have indeed heard 'Ilamai Raadhathil.' Super song to say the least. The other 3 songs in NTM I have on a single CD entitled "THE BEST OF YESUDAS", wherein all the songs are MDed by IR. On that CD there is also a fabulous duet with KS Chitra 'Rettai Kiligal' in 'Ore Oru Graamathile', which is based on Sudhasaveri raagam, and is sadly unavailable over the net. :-(
  
  
• From: Vel (@ ppp-219.65.97.44.chn.vsnl.net.in) on: Sat Sep 18 11:09:15 EDT 2004
  
  purv.....rettai kiligal - Add pannikiren :-)
  
  Thanks for ur steady support.
  
  
• From: purv (@ res142-87.resnet.newpaltz.edu) on: Sat Sep 18 21:18:26 EDT 2004
  
  No problem man. :-)))
  
  
• From: purv (@ res142-87.resnet.newpaltz.edu) on: Sat Sep 18 21:30:27 EDT 2004
  
  Vel, if you're asking for what I think you are, then here it is. Rettai Kiligal song goes like this (I'm only doing the pallavi now.)
  
  Rettai Kiligal Andraadum Pesum Thatti Tharaigal
  d. s r s r S dS dp mp mr d. s r s s
  
  
  
• From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19) on: Mon Sep 20 01:29:59 EDT 2004
  
  !!!! Purv...
  
  Remember my querry on sree ragam usage by IR?
  
  I think "Solam vedhaikiyile" from 16 vayadhililae is a very versatile use of sree raagam in folkish mould...
  
  
• From: UnbiasedFan (@ cpe.atm2-0-1031186.0x53599132.bynxx14.customer.tele.dk) on: Sat Sep 25 18:18:54 EDT 2004
  
  Guys like Vel, come out of your small IR circle and look at the vast Carnatic usage by geniuses like GR, KVM, MSV. No wonder knowlegeables like IsaiRasigai, Sindhuja, MS , vijay keep away from this thread which is just proIR centric.IR has just used few raagas and he has not ventured into many Ganaraagas like Ataana, Kamboji, Bhairavi Thodi and many many which MSV and others, Malayalam MDs have done with amazing authenticity. His carnatic usage has been very shallow , just rotating around 2 or 3 ragas like MMG , Keeravani and doesn't warrant much discussion.No freshness in his tunes after 90's
  
  
• From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19) on: Mon Sep 27 06:56:31 EDT 2004
  
  A post with good intension, to be "unbiased". But i would like to clarify a few things.
  
  This thread was meant to be "ProIR-Centric", in the first place. And, i wud prefer to stick to ilaiyaraja (with due regards to legends like MSV and KV), for a very simple reason that i like IR more than i like carnatic music :-)...I am not an expert (like those in ur elite list of knowledgeables) in carnatic, who may also like IR. But i am an IR-Liker, who also happens to like carnatic. Hope you see the difference between the two.
  
  So its IR that is my primary focus is, and carnatic music is just "one of the facets" that i chose to look a bit more deeply. My greater premise still is IR. Without him in the picture, carnatic (in film music) does not appeal much to me. Either the usages (in non IR songs) are too heavy and methodical to be enjoyable or are simply cold without any innovations or simply lack the soul.
  
  
• From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19) on: Mon Sep 27 07:01:51 EDT 2004
  
  Purv,
  
  Have u listened to "vellai nirathoru pachai kili pillaye" from the film "ennai vittu pogadhe"? It seems to be a derivative of jhankaradhwani...the scale followed is,
  
  s r2 g2 p d1 n1 s....same backwards. The theory books say it is called raga kadhambini.
  
  Asai Nooru vagai - seems another such rare scale. Vakulabharanam sans the gandharam. HOW TO NAME IT ;-)
  
  
• From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19) on: Wed Sep 29 01:27:30 EDT 2004
  
  DIGRESSION
  
  This is a personal request (via e-mail) from DAVE KERMAN...READ ON
  
  Note - (i had asked him about WINGS CD released by ANGELICA, the forum owned by the Italian fan (and composer) who came here to meet IR....For the uninitiated, Dave's ReR USA distributes WINGS in US]
  
  ---------------------------------
  
  Hi, There:
  
  Yes, we're big fans of the Maestro, and are proud to be the exclusive N. American importer of "WINGS".
  
  Attached is the information sheet our salesmen use to introduce the product to retailers. (Unfortunately the beautiful, color
  CD cover will not reproduce in this email).
  
  If you have any suggestions as to how we can reach more customers, especially any Tamil organisations which might like to buy or sell
  this wonderful disk, please let me know.
  
  to be continued....
  
  
• From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19) on: Wed Sep 29 01:28:02 EDT 2004
  
  Continued.....
  
  If you send me your mailing address, I would be happy to send you a sampler of some of our other artists (be warned - they are of
  a completely different musical direction: ReR USA holds no allegiance to any particular style or genre of music; Rather we only care about
  excellence. That's why we're so thrilled to have Ilaiyaraaja !!
  
  Many thanks for writing.
  
  Yours in the Joy of Music,
  
  David Kerman,
  ReR USA
  303 S. Broadway, Suite 386
  Denver, CO 80209 USA
  (303) 777-0575 Ph
  (303) 722-2323 Fax
  www.rerusa.com
  
  END DIGRESSION
  
  
  I liked the reason he attributes to his liking for ilaiyaraaja :-)
  
  
• From: purv (@ res142-87.resnet.newpaltz.edu) on: Wed Sep 29 23:54:08 EDT 2004
  
  Today I heard 'Mouna Raagam' from Kolangal. The raaga, Laavanthipriya, seems to be comprised of the following notes:
  
  s r1 m1 p d1 S
  
  And the same backwards.
  
  There are other names for this same raagam, one of which is Karnataka Sudhasaveri. In Hindusthani music, this raaga is called Gunakari.
  
  
• From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19) on: Thu Sep 30 00:34:10 EDT 2004
  
  Purv,
  
  Amazing...."asai nooru vagai" follows a close scale s r1 m1 p d1 n2 s (vakulabharanam sans gandharam) !!
  
  
• From: purv (@ res142-87.resnet.newpaltz.edu) on: Fri Oct 1 23:26:50 EDT 2004
  
  Hey guys,
  
  Here's another rare raaga IR has used: Suranandhini, a Shankarabharanam Janya that takes away the Madhyamam from both the ascent and the descent. It is a fusion of Mohanam and Hamsadhwani.
  You know the song 'ABC Nee Vaasi?' Since both da2 and ni3 are used in the song with much importance, I guess this song exemplifies Suranandhini raagam. Another song in this raagam, which I heard today, from the film Thendral Varum Theru, the song 'Thendral Varum Theru,' a nice lilting melody, from a soundtrack that was reputedly mediocre.
  
  Vel, I have no idea what the scale's name is. Sorry I can't be of any help here. ;-)
  
  
• From: Vel (@ ppp-219.65.119.110.chn.vsnl.net.in) on: Sat Oct 2 10:48:17 EDT 2004
  
  purv....
  
  Keeping in mind the scale i had given, i saw somewhere abt a raga called "vakkal" in this scale....but, whats in a name...It will be taking things too far away :-)
  
  
• From: Vel (@ ppp-219.65.117.131.chn.vsnl.net.in) on: Sun Oct 3 07:33:50 EDT 2004
  
  
  Purv..another rare song here...
  
  Naa Andhang Pirithi from Prema Raaga Haadu Gelathi (Kannada) is based on pinakini/thanarupi.
  
  Pinakini | S R1 M1 P D3 N3 S | S N3 D3 P M1 R1 S (Derivative of Melakartha Thanarupi)
  
  And ever listened to "Eem debba" from ashwamedham (telugu)...Awesome number in Dharmavathy...
  
  
• From: purv (@ res142-87.resnet.newpaltz.edu) on: Sun Oct 3 23:47:14 EDT 2004
  
  No kidding!! How'd you ever get to hear that song!?? That's just radical!!
  
  
• From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19) on: Mon Oct 4 02:46:04 EDT 2004
  
  purv,
  
  Prema Raaga Haadu Gelathi (Kannada) as well as ashwamedham (telugu)...Both i had purchased from PROJECT GEM.
  
  You cud try it too.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: purv (@ mcha-ai103.taconic.net) on: Sat Oct 9 18:51:27 EDT 2004
  
  Vel,
  
  I don't think 'Mottu Vitta Mullai Kooda' is based on Charukesi raagam at all. I don't think the song even follows a raaga pattern! Nor is the song from Aruvadai Naal.
  
  However, Aruvadai Naal does have one song that is based on Charukesi raagam, and it is called 'Chinna Ponnu Chinna Ponnu,' and yes, it must be a pathos song. It is sung by Malaysia Vasudevan and S Janaki. 'Mellaatha Mella Thottu' from the same film is an outstanding composition.
  
  BTW, I heard both these songs at tamiltune.com.
  
  
• From: pari (@ bbcache-17.singnet.com.sg) on: Tue Oct 12 12:44:12 EDT 2004
  
  yes raja was the first one to put in carnatic in film. he used carnatic as a tool to put in soul into his tunes. they were original. they are original even in the elangatru veesudhey in last years awarded movie's awarded music's the film PITHA MAGAN. ar rahman copies music. he copied mellisaye in Mr. Romeo from an interlude in the rakamma in thalapathi. many more like that.... rajais just too great. his songs has a tinge of carnatic to give the feeling in his number's in mel-isai. his every tune is different. unlike ar. ar's tune in enakku 18.... is very similar to udaya udaya... in udaya. maybe since udaya wasn't released 4 years, he put the tune in his other movie. but IR will nvr and most importantly DO Not Need to do that b'cause, he is a genius, just look at his port folio on the net what he has done other than film music, miss world1995/6 BGM, has any indian done that b4? he composed with RPO of UK,1st asian to do that. he';s just 22222 great
  
  
• From: purv (@ res142-87.resnet.newpaltz.edu) on: Wed Oct 13 20:47:25 EDT 2004
  
  Pari, if you say that Raja was the first one to put carnatic in film, then you are living under a rock, man! There was plenty of Karnatik in THM before IR, from KVM, MSV, G Ramanathan, et cetera et cetera et cetera.
  
  
  Anyway, to finish off my last posting, I also heard 'Oru Kaaviyam Arangetram Neram'. I didn't catch a single trace of Da2. Are you sure its raaga is Gowrimanohari and not Keeravaani?