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- From: Nadopasaka (@ afppp14.buffnet.net)
on: Sat Mar 18 17:40:03 EST 2000
IsaiRasigai, I thought it was vakra in arohana !! The plot thickens.
- From: nandini (@ chrla020-0487.splitrock.net)
on: Sat Mar 18 22:47:07 EST 2000
lakshman....can you list any song in these raagas??
Amarasenapriya
Desaakshi
Haridaasapriya
Jingla
Krishnaveni
Mechabouli
Suposhini
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp4.buffnet.net)
on: Sat Mar 18 22:53:54 EST 2000
Jingla - Anathudanu - Tyg.
MechBauli - Govindarajena - MD ?
Suposhini - Raminchu - Tyg
desaakshi = bilahari ?? - enchi seyu - Annamacharya.
Of course Lakshman will have many more and also confirm.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp4.buffnet.net)
on: Sat Mar 18 23:44:35 EST 2000
Lakshman could you also include any material on Chayavati when you post for Nandini's query ? It wasn't there in your post on rare ragas beginning with Ch. Is it the same as Suryakantam ? MD seems to have a kriti in this as well as in Bhairavam.
Any info. greatly appreciated.
- From: IR (@ dialup-63.210.149.224.boston1.level3.net)
on: Sun Mar 19 06:47:37 EST 2000
Nandini:
Amarasenapriya: Aathiramilla Adhisayame - Lakshmana Pillai - Roopakam
Desaakshi: Enchi Seyyu - Annamacharya - Aadhi
Garuda - Shahji Maharaja _ Aadhi
Raadhika Krishna (have also heard a Bhaageshri version!) - Jayadevar - aadhi
Haridaasapriya: Ramachandra Nannu - Aadhi - Sri. P Sambamoorthy
Jingala: Bhargam Pasupathim - Mishra Chaapu - Muthiah Bhagavathar
Jaya Jagadeesa _ GopalaKrishna Bhaarathi - Aadhi
Nallavaram - Vedanayakam Pillai - Roopakam
Mecha Bowli: Devi Divya Naama - Subbaraama Dikshithar - Roopakam
Govindaraajena - Muthuswami Dikshithar - Roopakam
Suposhini: Raaminchu Varevaru - Thyagarajar - Roopakam
Nado has already listed most of these
- From: Lakshman (@ hse-kit-ppp38805.sympatico.ca)
on: Sun Mar 19 07:52:23 EST 2000
Nadopasaka & others:
First, let me clear up the doubts about Karnaranjani. I had thw scale wrong. There is a vakra sanchara in it. I lloked it up in Muttiah Bhagavatar's book (he developed this raga first). It is S R G M G P D S; S N D P M G R S.
Apart from Dikshitar's kriti in Chayavati there is only one other- Shuru shuruppodu/Adi by Ramanathan Chettiar.
In Amarasenapriya a kriti by R.K.Suryanarayana Enduku nirdaya is the only other one.
Some Jingala kritis apart fom the ones already listed:
Dasharathi toda sari by Tumu Narasinmhadasa
Nanda nandana by Pallavur Mani Iyer
Kitta nerugi vara by Gopalakrishma Bharati
In Krishnaveni there are only two songs.
Mahishasura mardhani (composer not known) and Vishva devam ganapatim by R.K.Suryanarayana
A number of songs in Mechabauli include Devi divyanama sundari by Krishnasvami Ayya, Kanti ma ramulanu by Bhadrachalam Ramdas, Yake maimarade by Vadirajasvami and Ganapati by Bangalore Mukund.
- From: Lakshman (@ hse-kit-ppp38805.sympatico.ca)
on: Sun Mar 19 07:53:28 EST 2000
The last song Ganapati by Bangalore Mukund is in Suposhini.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aeppp8.buffnet.net)
on: Sun Mar 19 10:20:18 EST 2000
Lakshman Thanks.
Isn't Chayavati the asampurna name for Suryakantham ? Also can you clarify how different Desaakshi is from Bilahari ? There exist also some entities ShailaDesaakshi and NarayanaDeshaakshi ? Thanks for any info.
- From: Lakshman (@ hse-kit-ppp38840.sympatico.ca)
on: Sun Mar 19 11:05:59 EST 2000
Nadopasaka:
Deshaksi is again one of those ragas with multiple scales. Here they are:
mela 28
S R G P D S; S N D P M G R S (Nadamuni Panditar)
S R G P D S; S N D M G M R S (Tachur Brothers)
S R G M P D S; S N D M G M R S (T.Singaracharlu)
mela 29
S R G P D S; S N D P M G R S (R.R.Keshavamurti)
mela 35
S R G P D S; S N D P M G M R S (Nadamuni Panditar)
S R G P D S; S N D M G M R S (R.R.Keshavamurti)
S R G P D S; S N D P M G R S ((R.R.Keshavamurti)
S R G M D S; S N D P M G M R S (P.Sambamurti)
mela 48
S R G P D S; S N D P M G M R S (T.Singaracharlu)
Chayavati is the asampurna mela equivalent of Suryakanta.
Other songs in Narayanadeshakshi are: Shankaranarayanam bhaje-Dikshitar, O jagadamba-Wadiar, and a couple of gitams.
In Shailadeshakshi, apart from Dikshitar's Shaila rajakumari and Shri shulini, the only sony I have is Sarasakshi by the Tanjavur Quartette.
- From: gayathri (@ xxx.omantel.net.om)
on: Sun Mar 19 23:39:28 EST 2000
i would like to add to the raga Karna ranjani..
there is a song Om Namo Narayana ...which is composed by Ambhujam Krishna...
Nadopasaka.....u have an interesting way of interpreting...can u for my sake define what exactly a are ragas mean accorfing to you...i am new here.thankyou..
- From: gayathri (@ xxx.omantel.net.om)
on: Sun Mar 19 23:42:47 EST 2000
what exactly a rare raga mean according to u?
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aeppp28.buffnet.net)
on: Mon Mar 20 00:03:53 EST 2000
G. This is a murky area. Musicians may have different ideas than lay listeners or even advanced rasikas who are confined to listening only in kutcheries. In turn audience ( or the mean/average of the audience ) capacity and expectation does affect raaga choices that appear on pre-recorded tapes. But the statistical number of times a raaga is performed in a kutchery cannot be the sole indicator that the raaga is incapable of , as you put it, 'being derived'. Music teachers and composers ( and musicologists ) experiment continually every moment with lots of material.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aeppp28.buffnet.net)
on: Mon Mar 20 00:10:25 EST 2000
G. Om Namo Narayana was mentioned in Lakshmans list for Karnaranjani ( along with another AKrishna composition ( in Hindi, I think ) which was given above.
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp10269.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Mon Mar 20 10:33:44 EST 2000
Today's quota of kritis in rare ragas:
Ezhishai kandadu-Dipavarali-Adi-T.A.Dhanapandiyan-j68
Na dhruta dhimta (tillana)-Dipikavasanta-T/Adi-Vinai Shesha Iyer-j20
Maha ganapate-Divyagandhari-Adi-Pallavur Mani Iyer-j20
Panula mani parlua-Divyamalati-Adi-Vinai Krishnamachariar-j8
Are asura shishaka-Divyapanchama-Triputa-Govindacharya-j27
Lilaganu juchu-Dundubi-Adi-Tyagaraja-j29
Gam ganapate-Durvanki-T/Triputa-Jayachamaraja Wadiar-j29
Ettanai padidyum-Dvaitachintamani-Adi-Kadalur Subramaniam-j28
Inta tamasamelara-Dvigandharabhushani-Triputa-B.Subba Rao-j53/64
Kim vandishyam-Ekakshari-Chapu-C.S.Shivaramakrishna Bhagavatar-j15
Lalite sundari-Gaganabhupala-Adi-R.K.Suryanarayana-j21
- From: Nadopasaka (@ afppp21.buffnet.net)
on: Mon Mar 20 11:43:22 EST 2000
Lakshman, Since we are on the D's, what are Divyamani and DvaitaPanchamam or is it DhautaPanchamam ? Thanks
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp2560.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Mon Mar 20 12:04:24 EST 2000
Nadopasaka:
Divyamani is melakarta #48 and the Dikshitar school equivalent is Jivantini. Dhautapanchama is the 69th mela of Dikshitar system and is the equivalent of Dhatuvardhani in the katapayadi system.
- From: nandini (@ 1cust127.tnt9.charlotte.nc.da.uu.net)
on: Mon Mar 20 13:38:08 EST 2000
lakshman...
what about Dilipakam?
Also Gopikavasantham... is this related to kalyanavasantham? There's also one Mallikkavasantham
- From: IR (@ dialup-63.210.138.151.boston1.level3.net)
on: Mon Mar 20 14:04:38 EST 2000
Gopika Vasantham is NataBhairavi janyam - sa ri 2 ga 1 ma 1 pa dha1 pa ni1 sa - sa ni1 dha 1 pa ma 1 ga1 ri2 ga1 sa (This the the version that I know songs in) - Another version I have is : Sa Ma1 Pa Ni1 Dha1 Ni1 Dha1 Sa - Sa Ni Dha1 Pa Ma1 Ga1 Sa ( where is the rishabam - God knows!)
Jagadguru dheena - Muththaiya Bhaagavathar
Balakrishna Bhavayam - MD
Dhanayoyameva - Swathi Thirunaal
Samigara - Kshetragnar
Mallika vasantham is maayamaalava Gowlai Janyam -
Sa Ga2 Ma1 Pa Ni2 Sa - Sa Ni2 Dha1 Pa Ma1 Ga2 Ri1 Sa
The only song I have heard in this raagam is:
Nee Neruganu Raamaa - Pallavi Sheshayyer (??)
Kalyana vasantham is Keeravani janyam :
Sa Ga1 Ma1 Dha1 Ni2 Sa - Sa Ni2 Dha1 Pa Ma1 Ga1 Ri2 Sa
Innudhaya bhaarathe - Purandhara Daasar
Naadaloludai - Sri. Thyagarajar
Japata Japata - Swathi Thirunaal
I am sure - Lakshman would have more versions of scales and songs ::)))
- From: nandini (@ 1cust127.tnt9.charlotte.nc.da.uu.net)
on: Mon Mar 20 14:14:38 EST 2000
Isai...thanks a lot.
I haven't heard anybody singing Japata Japata.....has anybody sung this in any tape/CD???
- From: ir (@ dialup-63.210.148.197.boston1.level3.net)
on: Mon Mar 20 14:33:26 EST 2000
KVN does - not sure about tapes/cd
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp2605.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Mon Mar 20 14:39:17 EST 2000
nandini:
The song japata japata hari nama manuja by Svati tirunal is in Todi in the book that I have.
Dipaka is a janya of mela 51 and the scale is S R M P D P S; S N D N P M G R S. Tyagaraja has a song Kalalanerchina in this raga. There is also Iruvar mayalo by Arunagirinathar.
Apart from the song by Pallavi Shesha Iyer (who ‘discovered’ this raga) I have a tillana Tatta dhimta tana by Vinai Shesha Iyer.
In Gopikavasanta I have Govindarajam bhaje by Krishnasvami Ayya, Pu malar devan pozhindar by Nilakantha Shivan, Samiga rayante by Kshetragna and Sadashiva dinanatha by Bangalore S.Mukund.
Scale details of these ragas are already posted by Isai rasigai.
- From: Lakshman (@ hse-kit-ppp38851.sympatico.ca)
on: Mon Mar 20 15:07:43 EST 2000
isai rasigai:
The first scale of Gopikavasanta you posted is slightly different from what is given by Subbarama Dikshitar: The notes are exactly the same except the avarohana notes are given as S N D P M G R M G S. The second aro/avaro is by R.R.Keshavamurti. There is a third scale: S M P N D N D S; S N D P M G S. This interpretation is by Nadamuni Panditar.
In another book S M P N D N D S; S N D P M G R S is given (from the book Mahabharata Chudamani. Another version is S G M D P N D N S; S N D P M G S by T.A Sambandamurti and a last one reads S G M P D N S; S N D P M G S (Abraham Panditar).
- From: IR (@ dialup-63.210.148.197.boston1.level3.net)
on: Mon Mar 20 15:13:03 EST 2000
Lakshman ::(( THis seems like astrology to me! no 2 musicians/astrologers agree! Worse, they dont even agree to disagree!!!
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