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- From: meena (@ user-2injg17.dialup.mindspring.com)
on: Wed Jan 8 21:35:52
What are the similarities and differences between 'Hindustani' and 'Carnatic' music?
Both the styles are monophonic, follow a melodic line and employ a drone (tanpura) with the help of one or two notes against the melody. Both the styles use definite scales to define a raga but the Carnatic Style employs Shrutis or semitones to create a Raga and thus have many more Ragas than the Hindustani style. Carnatic ragas differ from Hindustani ragas. The names of ragas are also different. However, there are some ragas which have the same scale as Hindustani ragas but have different names; such as Hindolam and Malkauns, Shankarabharanam and Bilawal. There is a third category of ragas like Hamsadhwani, Charukeshi, Kalavati etc. which are essentially Carnatic Ragas. They share the same name, the same scale (same set of notes) but can be rendered in the two distinctively different Carnatic and Hindustani styles. Unlike Hindustani music, Carnatic music does not adhere to Time or Samay concepts and instead of Thaats, Carnatic music follows the Melakarta concept.
- From: Vijay (@ ac9ea0f1.ipt.aol.com)
on: Wed Jan 8 21:52:49
Dear Meena and All,
You have just started scraping off the top of the iceberg with this description, I will attempt a little more.
Essentlally, the roots of both the music is teh same - The Karnatic music evolved separately without the Persian and Mogul influence as well as teh European (Greek) influence where as in teh North, these invaders adn their influences left a mark. This mark is felt not only in the instruments used as well as teh styles.
One distinct style of Hindustani is called Kyal - which simply translates to imagination. This is the unstructured rendering of a Raaga. (when I mean unstructured - it still follows the sturcture of teh Swars and Thaans) but, leaves the evolution of the music entirely to the artists imagination.. which means that one redentation of say some favourite like "Gayathi Vanamali" a popular song with both Hindustani (in Raaga Bhoopali ) and Karnatic (in Raaga Mohanam - there is a slight shift in the Madyama Swar) by the same Hindustani artist will not be teh same as teh enxt one leave alone a redentation by 2 different artists. So Kyal - use of imagination and without much structure - is an almost alein notion to structured music like Drupad (another Hidustani Music style - and less influenced by the invasions)is certainly a European / persian infleunced style.
While the Kalpana Swarams approach close to Kyal - th eentier Kyal redentation is Kalpana where as the Karnatic artist gets to improvize mainly in this part...
Besides teh influences of external factors names of Raagas have been changed due to various reasons for eg. Darbari kanara in Hindustani is almost teh same as Kanada of karnatic and its called Darbari sicne the artist will try to present it in teh same was as Mian tanses is supposed to have rendererd. Thus any Darbari or a Mian Ki - pre-fis is the tribute to Tansen and his artistry.
There there are teh Gharanas....
I will leave it for teh next mail if this thread continues to grow
Best wishes
Vijay
- From: Darsana (@ host31.mumbai.tcs.co.in)
on: Tue Jan 14 01:05:33
Can't you say in a simple way that we feel the difference because of the gamaka use in carnatic ?
Regards,
Darsana
- From: Shreesha (@ )
on: Sun Nov 9 03:02:29
Which music got more depth?whether carnatic classical music and Hindustani Classical Music?
- From: Sattinirajaa (@ ac8406e2.ipt.aol.com)
on: Sun Nov 9 10:14:33 EST 2003
There is more freedom of expression and room for improvisation in Hindustani. In Carnatic, it's all composition bound, though there is scope for improvisation within the ambit of the Kriti, but I think too many people (incluidng musicians) place too much emphasis on the kriti itself ...
- From: Sharma (@ )
on: Sun Nov 30 06:31:55
I happened upon this site as I was looking for information on the differences between the hindustani and Carnatic styles of music, I have learnt something from this but there are still a lot of questions that are left unanswered. I wish some sone would supply a more indepth analysis of the topic for a lay person like me who is in search of knowledge of a very complex topic.
- From: Balakrishnan (@ adsl-64-175-243-175.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net)
on: Sun Nov 30 15:44:49 EST 2003
Shri Vijay,
Nowthat the thread is revived, very eager to know more about hindustani style of music viz. Gharanas... The enitire observations are quite interesting and educative.
- From: raji (@ 202.68.154.210)
on: Fri Dec 12 03:59:08 EST 2003
http://www.indianguitartabs.com
- From: gaby (@ cache-loh-aa04.proxy.aol.com)
on: Wed Sep 15 13:49:34
i have to do a essay on indian music and i need to know how do these 2 types of indian tradition differ?
- From: sanu jos (@ 202.83.42.201)
on: Thu Sep 16 16:03:56 EDT 2004
please guide me to a website which helps me to note the arohanas and avarohanas of hindustani ragas with out any fee..
- From: Lakshman (@ kit-ppp-64.187.32.89.porchlight.ca)
on: Thu Sep 16 18:08:36 EDT 2004
Try this site:
http://www.angelfire.com/music5/pupasani/docs/RaagGuide.PDF
- From: Nagini (@ clab8.utsi.edu)
on: Thu Sep 30 23:53:56 EDT 2004
Hi,
There was once an interview of Sri K.J.Yesudas and the host happened to ask the same question (difference between Hindustani and Carnatic). His reply was very obscure, to me atleast. He said that the Hindustani style of singing tries to tend to a higher note and that Karnatic tries to do the opposite. I have done my best at writing what he exactly said. Can someone explain how this is true?
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