Topic started by IR_Fan (@ 202.88.154.169) on Tue Sep 25 09:41:42 .
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Given below is a site created as a dedication to the carnatic caliber of ilaiyaraaja. Would like to have your comments. Let us discuss and talk about the carnatic wizardy of raja...
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- From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19)
on: Mon Jun 7 09:25:22 EDT 2004
Purv,
Guess your thought on sola pasungiliye is right...
Regarding "chinna chinna solleduthu" - i was just waiting for a second opinion before i included it under pahadi..now i have it...
Will change. Thank you purv
- From: rajeshrs_tvm (@ 202.88.234.113)
on: Thu Jun 10 05:38:35 EDT 2004
VEL..
I have a doubt in this song:
"Oru pattaampoochi"(JOg/Kaadhalukku Mariyaadhai)
I feel there is R2 in the second interlude(flute)
after the chorus sings
"....mounangal mozhiyaagumaa?"(approximately between 3:25 to 3:33)
pls clarify.
Whenever I hear the song i wait for that flute interlude ...
"kaekkumbodhallaam pullarithu vidugiradhu.."
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Also one more query:
"oh priya priya..(sivaranjani/idhaythai thirudadhaey)
isn't there n2 too in this song(aezhai kaadhal vaazhumo=n2 n2 paa r2 g3 pa paa)
- From: rajeshrs_tvm (@ 202.88.234.113)
on: Thu Jun 10 06:18:20 EDT 2004
VEl..pls let me know the movie name of
"anal dhanil aadidum poovai poovai
anaithidavae vandha katrae katrea"
i think it was sung by bavatharini
- From: rajeshrs_tvm (@ 202.88.234.146)
on: Tue Jun 15 07:22:43 EDT 2004
vel )))))vel)))
- From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19)
on: Wed Jun 16 01:26:26 EDT 2004
Rajesh,
Heavy homework koduthuteenga...Raaja'voda natai/jog/thilang usage ellame very confusing..Adhai pathi (abt that portion that you mentioned), i will respond in detail..carefulla gavanikkanum..
About "anal dhanil", i think it is from "Chandralekha".
- From: rajeshrs_tvm (@ 202.88.234.146)
on: Fri Jun 18 04:36:15 EDT 2004
ok vel...
nallaa pichikkunga,,,,:)
naan vaedikkai paakkuraen :)
- From: purv (@ 198.38.6.253)
on: Thu Jun 24 11:57:08 EDT 2004
Hi. Wondering....
Are there any noteworthy raaga-based songs in the following IR films?
Manaivi Solle Manthiram
En Uyir Kannammaa
Ilaiyaraagam
Dharmaseelan
Thambikku Oru Paattu
Nyaayam
Idhayathile Oru Idam
Vasantham
Chinna Ramaswamy Periya Ramaswamy
Paasa Mazhai
Eetti
These are just a few albums wherein I haven't heard any songs, and am curious about.
- From: MSK (@ desktop5.kyocera-wireless.com)
on: Fri Jun 25 16:11:16 EDT 2004
Hi Vel & others,
Greetings ,. I am listening to Konji Pesalaam for the first time for the last few weeks and I am totally astounded by the freshness and orchestration of the songs.. Could u guys help me identify the raaga usage on the songs please.. Sorry if you have already discussed this one..
#1. Siru Siru : This sounds like Gowrimanohari to me with heavy shades of " Thendralai kandu kolla maane" from the movie Nilave Mugam Kaattu. Infact the first interludes is almost a repeat of that.
#2. Aathara Sruthi : This again reminds me of "Vaan Megangale " from Puthiya Vaarpugal.. So is this Mohanam or waht ?
#3. Ezhu Vannam : This one clearly is MMG .. not sure though.
#4. Ithuvarai Naan oru : This is my favorite and i guess this sounds like SudhaSaveri to me. ( malargalil aadum ilami from Kalyanaraaman is the closest one I can think of ).
Pls educate me here.
Thanks
MSK
- From: Vel (@ ppp-219.65.96.182.chn.vsnl.net.in)
on: Sat Jun 26 04:32:23 EDT 2004
MSK, this is a review written for those songs some time back
KONJI PESALAM
Siru Siru - Eats up "munnam seitha thavam" and "agaya thamarai" which had similar higih intensity "keeravani" usage..Unni comes off effortlesly in high pitched charanams (first few lines)..for the cracking tune and rendition by the singer - 4.5/6
Unnai thedi thedi - Raga pahadi (?) is hinduthani relative of raga mohanam. Loved the way the charanams rise up and melt back into the pallavi - Sadhana emotes well, but sounds strained in the first lines of the charanams- for the "down to earth & simple but yet so effective" tune - 5/6
Yezhu vannam - listen to the charanams...sudden twist to bring a folkish taste (or innocent sounding portions of the song), in contrast to the pop"ish pallavi..Lyrics could have been better ...this is thilang raga mostly - 3/6
- From: Vel (@ ppp-219.65.96.182.chn.vsnl.net.in)
on: Sat Jun 26 04:33:45 EDT 2004
Contd...
Adhara surudhi - the charanams, the first two lines - my word, its a blinder..IR catches u totally unawares...no percussions, a mystic environment is created...then karthik starts of "mottu ondru en ullathil", and the percussions pitch in...massive effect. Thats IR's wizardy for u - song uses both natabhairavi & keeravani - karthik does a good job, sadhana is adequate - but pallavi could have had less synth in the recipe - 5.5/6
- From: Vel (@ ppp-219.65.96.182.chn.vsnl.net.in)
on: Sat Jun 26 04:34:15 EDT 2004
Idhuvarai Naan - the full meals time from IR...remember "azhagu malar aada" in turbulent sounding raga chandrakouns..this is no less a composition...Tippu bowled me over with his classy rendition - for the picture perfect tune and the classy rendition - 6/6
Kasthuri pottu - "Yerikara poongaatre" from thooral ninnu pochu is a similar song where shankarabharanam raga was used for a folkish flavour - same here. Cool again, from Tippu - the area which i liked about tippu is his ability to give "folk" tinge to the singing...thats what u call "emoting" while u sing...good number - 4/6
Bottomline - As always, worth every penny !!!
[* Indications of ragas used are my own judgements. Scrutiny and further discussions welcome]
- From: Kannan.V (@ 61.247.253.246)
on: Tue Jul 6 05:34:05 EDT 2004
I wonder why "MOUNAMEY NENJIL NAALUM" & "NARUMANA MALARKALIN SUYAMVARAMO KANNIL" both from the film Urangaatha Ninaivugal is not listed at all. Will anyone clarify, on what ragas these 2 were composed?
- From: CSRamasami (@ 202.131.115.148)
on: Wed Jul 7 01:40:02 EDT 2004
Kannan:
"Mouname.... Nenjil Naalum Nee Ezhudhum... Kanave kavidhai... is an excellent song by KJY. It resembles "yetho Ninaivugal" of Agal Vilakku; also resembles "Kannamma..Kadhal thandha,," which is listed as Samudrapriya by Vel.
Vel, This song needs some attenetion from your side also. I am not having any links to make you listen this song now. Can Anybody help ?
The second song by Kannan, I could not re-collect, though i remembered to have seen this in the film then. Kannan can give some additional details.
CSR
- From: Vel (@ ppp-219.65.97.11.chn.vsnl.net.in)
on: Sun Jul 11 10:12:47 EDT 2004
:-) CSR,
Rombo naalaikku appuram innaikku "yaar thoorigai" and "ennai thodarndhu", both i had listed in Lathangi....
I am totally flat with astonishment...Yaar thoorigai especially...It will take sometime for me to even understand the exact scale used...i will use what you had in group, for reference...
- From: CSR (@ 202.131.115.148)
on: Sun Jul 11 11:34:03 EDT 2004
Vel : Yaar thoorigai... simple approach is E to E of keyboard (Sindhu Bairavi..) and Replace Ma with Ga3 . (so both G2 and G3 is there in this song)! Shruthi bedham group of Sarasangi lists Chakravaham and Dharmavathy. IR has added this raagam (How to name It ?)Which is not allowed as per Melakartha scheme. A puzzle.
- From: Vel (@ ppp-219.65.97.143.chn.vsnl.net.in)
on: Sat Jul 24 03:34:27 EDT 2004
CSR...i am still struggling with 'yaar thoorigai' :-)))
DEAR ALL
Here are some articels written for ILAIYARAGAM and ILAIYARAAJA YAHOO GROUPS
Starting to decipher ragas using IR's songs http://www.geocities.com/ilaiyaragam/LearningCurve.htm
Intro to IR's kapi raga usages http://www.geocities.com/ilaiyaragam/LearningCurve1.htm
Intro to IR's Sindhubhairavi usages
http://www.geocities.com/ilaiyaragam/LearningCurve2.htm
- From: purv (@ res142-87.resnet.newpaltz.edu)
on: Sun Aug 29 14:24:00
Would you guys agree with the following?
Unthanin Paadal (Raakkayil Koyil) - Karnataka Khamas
Pachondiye Keladaa (Antha Oru Nimidham) - Vakhulabharanam
Chinanjiragu Nillu (Kannukkul Nilavu) - Yaman Kalyani
Yempaattu Yempaattu (Poomani) - Aabheri
Onnodu Rendula (Enkitte Modhaathe) - Aabheri
Vaanam Vaazhthida (Chinna Maappillai) - Kalyani
Manveettil Irunthaalum (Thozhar Pandiyan) - Subhapanthuvaraali
Naan Irukkum (Azhagiya Kanne) - Hamsanadham
Enakkul Oruvan Yaar Yaar (Enakkul Oruvan) - Hamsanandhi
Regards,
purv
- From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19)
on: Wed Sep 8 01:36:03 EDT 2004
I think u r right with Pachondiye Keladaa,
Yempaattu Yempaattu (Poomani)and Onnodu Rendula...But regarding the rest, once again purv, i have not heard these...pls give a source to listen !!!
- From: purv (@ res142-87.resnet.newpaltz.edu)
on: Wed Sep 8 14:40:33 EDT 2004
You can hear the songs from Enakkul Oruvan, Raakkayil Koyil, and Thozhar Pandiyan at smashits.com. The Azhagiya Kanne song was featured as an SOTD at the TFMpage. Look for it in the SOTD archives. The Chinna Maappillai song hear it at tamilsongs.net. You can hear the Kannukkul Nilavu song pretty much anywhere they host Tamil film music. Does this answer your question?
Now, I'm wondering, how did you hear the song 'Ellaarukkum' that you say is Hindolam-based? I've looked for it at tamilsongs.net and have not found it. :-(( How about the Sevvanthi song, the one you say is Kalyani? How did you hear it? The Nyaayam song that you say is Vakhulabharanam?
- From: purv (@ res142-87.resnet.newpaltz.edu)
on: Wed Sep 8 14:42:48 EDT 2004
BTW, you might have noticed my number has changed. That's because I am now staying at the University of New Paltz, New York. Just so you guys know.
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