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- From: Lakshman (@ hse-kitchener-ppp78660.sympatico.ca)
on: Tue Dec 26 10:19:05 EST 2000
Sundar:
There has been a considerable amount of discussion on this topic at the following site.
http://sangeetham.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000149.html
- From: ¦À.ºó¾¢Ã§º¸Ãý/Chandra (@ hide-110.state.me.us)
on: Thu Dec 28 17:03:59 EST 2000
Sankarabaranam takes its names most likely because the raga is was the main paN (pAlai) for the pAlai (desert) landscape whose gods were koRRavai (kALi) and Siva. Its original name is arum pAlai. (pAlai in that phrase has nothing to do with the Tamil word for desert; it means a major division or mELakartha).
There were seven pAlaip paNs for the seven thiNais (five landscape-oriented thiNais and the abstract thiNais, kaikkiLai and perunthiNai) all arranged in a grahabhedham ring.
Another pAlai that preserved its correpondence is
harikAmbodhi. It belongs to mullai whose lord is mAl (krSNa) and no doubt, at least a posterirori, we have "hari" in that name.
Unlike the above two which are Sanskrit translations of original Tamil concepts, there are many raga names that are Tamil.
nAttai, kauLai (the initial k- hypersanskritized as g-), varALi, curutti, cencurutti/centuruththi, indhaLam (giving "hindhoLam"), andhALik kuRinjci (giving andhOlikA), payiravi (payir = to sound musical instruments: giving again through hypersanskritization "bhairavi"!)
From the Cologne OnLine Tamil Lexicon:
( at http://www.uni-koeln.de/phil-fak/indologie/tamil/otl_search.html )
otl payir-tal payir-tal 01 to call, cry, as beasts, birds or insects; 1. to summon, call; 2. to sound, as instruments
and so on.
- From: Vignesh (@ 210.212.246.156)
on: Fri Dec 29 10:41:00 EST 2000
Dear Mr.Sundar
Kindly refer the book RAGAS IN CARNATIC MUSIC by DR.S.BHAGYALEKSHMY M.A.Ph.D
website : www.geocities.com/bhagyam_in
e-mail: bhagyam@vsnl.com
cbhpub@vsnl.com
Vignesh
- From: ¦À.ºó¾¢Ã§º¸Ãý/Chandra (@ rr-165-123-166.atl.mediaone.net)
on: Sun Dec 31 10:53:39 EST 2000
Some more Tamil raga names:
The cindhu in cindhu bhairavi is the same as the cindhu in kAvaDic cindhu.
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otl cintu cintu 02 1. dwarf, about 3 ft. high, dist. fr. kur6al ; 2. a kind of musical composition; 3. a masquerade dance
otl cintu cintu 04 musical note
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And the DEDR (Dravidian Etymological Dictionary-Revised, Burrows & Emeneau, Oxford University Press, 1984) lists it in similar sense for other Dravidian languages also (note that there are 23 Dravidian languages extant with Brahui spoken in Baluchistan):
entry #2530:
Tamil:
cintu. = a kind of musical composition; a masquerade dance. a musical note.
centu = a melody type
Malayalam:
cintu = a poetical measure
Telugu:
cintu = dancing;
cindilu = to shake, move
cindu-drokku, cindulu-drokku = to dance
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Another is kIravANi:
kIr kIr is a Tamil onomatopoeia.
DEDR entry# 1615 lists:
Kui:
gIra = the voice
Kuwi:
gIya, gIta, gIga = word, syllable
giyA = voice
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Note also the related words such kiLa = to express clearly; kiLavi = enunciation, word etc.
- From: ¦À.ºó¾¢Ã§º¸Ãý/Chandra (@ rr-165-123-166.atl.mediaone.net)
on: Sun Dec 31 10:54:21 EST 2000
Note that the bhairavi etymology is by the famous lunguist Devaneya pAvANar.
Some more Tamil raga names:
The cindhu in cindhu bhairavi is the same as the cindhu in kAvaDic cindhu.
---
otl cintu cintu 02 1. dwarf, about 3 ft. high, dist. fr. kur6al ; 2. a kind of musical composition; 3. a masquerade dance
otl cintu cintu 04 musical note
---
And the DEDR (Dravidian Etymological Dictionary-Revised, Burrows & Emeneau, Oxford University Press, 1984) lists it in similar sense for other Dravidian languages also (note that there are 23 Dravidian languages extant with Brahui spoken in Baluchistan):
entry #2530:
Tamil:
cintu. = a kind of musical composition; a masquerade dance. a musical note.
centu = a melody type
Malayalam:
cintu = a poetical measure
Telugu:
cintu = dancing;
cindilu = to shake, move
cindu-drokku, cindulu-drokku = to dance
--------
Another is kIravANi:
kIr kIr is a Tamil onomatopoeia.
DEDR entry# 1615 lists:
Kui:
gIra = the voice
Kuwi:
gIya, gIta, gIga = word, syllable
giyA = voice
-----
Note also the related words such kiLa = to express clearly; kiLavi = enunciation, word etc.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ nas-132-204.rochester.navipath.net)
on: Sun Dec 31 11:18:51 EST 2000
re: names, Raga Kaambhoji in Carnatic music is identified with the Takka Tamil pann. The usage Kaambodhi does not appear, for example in the MD krities. This is known as Kaamodari in Kathakali. Further HariKaambhoji mela seems to be related to the Tamil pann Tirutandagam.
- From: ¦À.ºó¾¢Ã§º¸Ãý/Chandra (@ rr-165-123-166.atl.mediaone.net)
on: Sun Dec 31 18:20:22 EST 2000
Nadopasaka:
Thiruthandagam association that keeps cropping up in the pann-raga name mapping is considered by musicologists as a mistake.
Thiruththandagam is really a kind of prosody (8-cIr kazi nedil adi Aciriya viruththam) and has nothing to do with melody.
Somewhere somebody confused this!
- From: PETER (@ pool8.thegrid.org.uk)
on: Thu Mar 29 06:06:43
I QAM DOING A PROJECT ON THE INDIAN MUSIC AND WANT SOME MUSIC. THANKS
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