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Is there some code of conduct for kutcheries ?
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- From: Nadopasaka (@ aippp30.buffnet.net)
on: Tue Mar 14 19:13:14 EST 2000
Narayanan
Are flautists ambidextrous ? Does one hand 'lead' ?
For a 'rightie' the left hand is closer to the mouth, it seems to me ? Can you change that arbitrarily ? Thanks for ideas.
- From: Diwakar (@ 206.175.177.136)
on: Wed Mar 15 12:23:04 EST 2000
Nado :
One hand does lead. For a right-handed flautist, only the first three fingers of the hand - unless one wants to play the lower rishaba - and the first four fingers of the left hand are used. So if one changes to a left-handed grip, it is not very easy to adjust and achieve the same amount of dexterity and control. Also the way the flute is held while blowing would change.
My two bits worth...
- From: Diwakar (@ 206.175.177.136)
on: Wed Mar 15 13:01:01 EST 2000
Oops! Please swap right-handed and left-handed in the earlier post.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aappp31.buffnet.net)
on: Thu Mar 16 11:20:06 EST 2000
Thanks Diwakar. Generally how many types of flutes are used in one kutchery. Does 'saliva build-up' or air-wind temperature play a role ? In a concert the artiste pulled out this monstrous pipe ( I remember, like Crocodile Dundee, saying to myself, now THATS a flute ) . It was almost twice the bore of the regular flute.
- From: nandini (@ 1cust149.tnt9.charlotte.nc.da.uu.net)
on: Thu Mar 16 16:14:09 EST 2000
i also remember one chaurasia concert where he used one really small flute and switched to a relly loooong one....i gathered that he must have used it for different octaves....i might be very wrong!
- From: nick haynes (@ host.sumitomomarine.co.uk)
on: Fri Mar 17 08:20:45 EST 2000
Re left-handed musicians and traditional nadaswaram recital, where two nadaswaram players are accompanied by two thavil players witting on either side of them.
Both show "right hand" face to audience, which means one has to be left-handed. Is there a regular supply of left-handers, or are sufficient numbers ambidextrous?
Sorry if this seems a silly question, but it really does puzzle me!!
- From: IR (@ columbo.lifeworks.com)
on: Fri Mar 17 09:38:34 EST 2000
Narayanan might know this better - I believe the longer the flute is, the lower the pitch is. Is this true? I have seen N.Ramani pick up his stout!, long flute to play melodious "thukkadas" and uses the regular flute for other songs in his concert.. Narayanan, correct me if I am wrong.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp51.buffnet.net)
on: Fri Mar 17 21:49:16 EST 2000
Nick that is a really interesting one. Will wait expectantly for someone to post some ideas on that.
Isairasigai, Narayanan should clear up the harmonics issue. Doesn't where you place the fingers determine the pitch ?
When did 'tossing' ghatam into the air become popular, if it ever did ? Was this around when JimiHendrix destroyed his guitar in Woodstock ??
- From: Ramji (@ 205.177.170.123)
on: Sat Mar 18 06:33:38 EST 2000
I thought the longer flute belonged to Hindustani( Pannalal Ghosh et al) and Ramani, for one, imported it. I do not remember Mali ever using it.
Will it make any difference between left and righthandedness in Tabla?
Also curious about Nick's observation of Thavil players.
Partial digression. In India, the elders used to consider lefthandedness as inappropriate and discourage and forcefully correct any child showing that tendency. But for this, lefthandedness may not have been that rare.May be, in Thavil culture they did not discourage this. May be cosmic balance?
Miscellaneous:
Semmangudi used to close one ear.
Some vidwans will not let anyone else to carry their instrument.
Some would locate and "kumbidu"fy so called "big men" in society.
TVS invokes "Hari" a lot.
Madurai Somu used to utter "Gurunathaa".
Semmangudi's bodily and hand movements used to look funny.So are Bhimsen Joshi's.
Ariyakkudi used to crack jokes.
The current younger generation artists apparently avoid all this conciously.
- From: n (@ chrla020-0487.splitrock.net)
on: Sat Mar 18 22:35:10 EST 2000
Among the present singers....neyveli santhanagopalan literally jumps on the stage, completely immersed in his singing.....it's nice to listen to him with your eyes closed!
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp4.buffnet.net)
on: Sat Mar 18 23:09:21 EST 2000
N, (nandini ? ) Maybe a good idea to keep eyes open in case he jumps too much and lands in someones lap, especially if he does a jaavali ?
Are there any 'lefty' violinists ?
- From: IR (@ dialup-209.244.121.249.boston1.level3.net)
on: Sun Mar 19 06:20:58 EST 2000
:::::)))) Nado - I think it was 3 years ago or something that Neyveli wore "Panchagajam" and Angavasthram alone to all his concerts during the December season ::)))
Landing on someone's lap would be BMK or Kunnakudi!!!! (Excuse me!)
- From: Ramji (@ 205.177.170.120)
on: Sun Mar 19 06:44:10 EST 2000
Nado, IR, :-))
In some cases, you may keep your eyes open, but may have to keep your ears closed:-)
Nado, I have heard of violent leftists not lefty violinists:-)
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aeppp8.buffnet.net)
on: Sun Mar 19 10:30:08 EST 2000
Ramji Maybe the 'Leninist Voleti' ?
- From: Siva (@ firestorm3.imrglobal.co.jp)
on: Sun Mar 19 23:44:33 EST 2000
Sanjay Subramaniam of the younger generation would fall into "close ears and listen" category
- From: Vasu (@ s05.austin.ibm.com)
on: Mon Mar 20 11:14:52 EST 2000
Had been to Sanjay Subramaniam's concert recently. His concert was enjoyable and since this was my first time attending his concert, and his "graphical" displays were amusing. Poor guys (S.Varadharajan/violin and Srimushnam Raja Rao), landed in Chicago the morning, caught a flight to Dallas and then drove from there to Austin and he gives a concert without any jet lag. I only hope organizers could have arranged in a better way. He did RTP on varali "Ambikai paradevathai varal ido; srutiyodu layamum dayamum tharal ido" and it was a very good one.
Coming back to practices on stage:
1. Is it only if the artists indulge in such "expressiveness" they are able to get their imagination flowing?
2. When do they really start displaying such expressions on stage? I hope they dont learn that from first day of singing Sri gananatha etc.
- From: nandini (@ 1cust127.tnt9.charlotte.nc.da.uu.net)
on: Mon Mar 20 13:56:56 EST 2000
i dont think sanjay falls under the category of closing ears....he's a hard-working vocalist....not actually gifted with a great voice like unni....
vasu: I sincerely hope they don't display exp. from 'sri gananatha'.....
- From: nandini (@ 1cust127.tnt9.charlotte.nc.da.uu.net)
on: Mon Mar 20 13:58:34 EST 2000
Isai: Forget Kunnakudi jumping into laps.....lucky he's not in America's funniest videos...for his facial exp.
- From: IR (@ dialup-63.210.138.151.boston1.level3.net)
on: Mon Mar 20 14:10:10 EST 2000
:::))) good one nandini ::))
Vasu: I have noticed that students of great musicians also learn the body languages of their gurus! Notice Neyveli (he is much worse!) and TNS
Note Anu and KVN
Note Maharajapuram Ramachandran and Mah. Santhanam
They need to move their hands and show those facial! expressions to be able to sing like their gurus!!!
ofcourse, there are always exceptions!
- From: nandini (@ 1cust127.tnt9.charlotte.nc.da.uu.net)
on: Mon Mar 20 14:16:32 EST 2000
Isai: You have to see TNS and his son...His son even while sitting behind his father displays all the same exps.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp7.buffnet.net)
on: Tue Mar 21 04:17:11 EST 2000
In my opinion, good musicians lose themselves in their art. This meditative, almost advaitic trance, even in bustling kutcheries can be quite impressive to those seated nearby. Fortunately music kutcheries are not a beauty contest (yet) and looks of ANY kind should not be an issue. I would much rather that Semmangudi be a saliva dripping volcano or MDR a one eyed monster etc. with their great imaginations pouring details of the raaga from their concentration/experience than some well-made-up star/starlet with a syrupy sweet, flawless (and character-less) voice almost giving me diabetes with some parroting of a few well rehearsed phrases. The artistes should be completely un-self-conscious and at ease with their inner and outer self.
- From: Ramji (@ 205.177.170.123)
on: Tue Mar 21 05:09:45 EST 2000
Nado, :-)). Thathaasthu.
- From: Narayanan (@ 195.224.238.98)
on: Tue Mar 21 05:15:11 EST 2000
Nado/IR/Diwakar/Nandini:
There are different types of flutes used in ICM.
Traditionally, North Indian (Hindustani) use the big flute (bansuri) and South indian (carnatic) use the normal flute. The difference is the sthaayi in which the krithi is played. Typically South Indian use flutes with sruti 2.5 , 3 and 5 kattai. My Guru, Dr N Ramani plays in 2.5 kattai sruti. His guru (Mali) plays in 5 kattai sruti.
Sikkil sisters normaly use 3 kattai sruti. The longer the flute, the lower is the sruti. This is why Mali's flutes are small in size.
It is my Guru, Sri Ramani who brought the north Indian Bansuri to Carnatic Concerts.
South Indian flutes have 9 holes in all - one for blowing and 8 to control the swaras. Typically a right handed flutist uses his 3 fingers in the left hand to cover the first 3 holes and 4 fingers from right hand to close the nxt 4 holes. The last hole, as Diwakar mentioned,is used to play mantra stayi notes (GA RI and SA).
The North indian flute has 7 holes in all. The 8 th hole, used to play the mantra stayi is missing as the flute itself is for playing mantra stayi notes.
The Mel stayi flutes are very small (size of a pencil). These are used very rarely.
Normally while playing in a mantra stayi flute, one does not use the flute of the same sruti as the normal flute. ie, while playing in sruti 2.5, one would not use a mantra stayi flute with sruti 2.5. This is because of the length of the Mantra stayi flute. Normally a sruti 5 mantra stayi flute will be used so that the holes are "reachable". To play in 2.5 sruti on a 5 sruti flute, the fingering will be changed and instead of Samam to Samam sruti , a Madhyamam or Panchama sruti will be adopted for the base flute.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aappp21.buffnet.net)
on: Tue Mar 21 05:48:31 EST 2000
Narayanan, Does the Ramani-Mali line trace back to Sarabha Sastrigal ? Thanks greatly for your careful descriptions and comments above.
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