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The contribution of Kerala to the classical music has been remarkable. Taking only the well known names one can list Chembai Vaidyanatha Bhagavathar,Alattor brothers , Palakkad Narayanaswamy, Palghat Mani Iyer, M.S.Gopalakrishnan , Jesudas, Unnikrishnan, Gurvayur Dorai, Ayilore Krishnan, Bombay Sisters and so on and on. Is there a list were such personalities are listed. Why is it that Karala with its peculiar culture has contributed to so much. |
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- From: Prof. Sundara Rajan (@ bgm-24-24-95-2.stny.rr.com)
on: Sat Oct 14 21:46:07 EDT 2000
This thread was started with a list of famous carnatic musicians from Kerala and also included Aalathur Brothers, who were not from Kerala but from Tanjore/Tiruchi Districts of Tamil Nadu. Incidentally, they were not blood brothers but were disciples of Aalathur Venkatesa Iyer; one was his son.
- From: Raja (@ ac813afe.ipt.aol.com)
on: Mon Oct 16 22:59:15 EDT 2000
Thanks Professor.I agree and correct the mistake.I would like to add the names of Mr.M.D.ramanathan, Mr.T.N.krishnan, Palghat Raghu, T.V.Gopalakrishnan, Trichur V.Ramachandran and K.S.Gopalakrishnan to the list of eminant Kerala based musicians.These were suggested by Mr.Mohan Iyer, who himself is an eminant musician.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp45.buffnet.net)
on: Tue Oct 17 03:42:33 EDT 2000
In the context of this thread ( i.e. making lists ) a list of Sangeeta Kalanidhis can be made to get a historical perpective. This title is awarded by the Madras Music Academy, and might have lost some glamor in recent years. Of course, one can also form one's own academy and make up other such lists. But the SK reflects some important names of classical musicians ( generally not playback artistes ), many of whom may be immediate Gurus to the others listed here. Arguably, an important exception is LalgudiJI, an important violinist of the last century. Such an exception reflects some of the limitations of making such lists.
YEAR Sangeetha Kalanidhi
1929 T. V. Subba Rao, T. S. Sabesha Iyer and M. S. Ramaswamy Iyer
1930 Harikesanallur Muthiah Bhagavatar and T. V. Subba Rao
1931 Pazhamaneri Swaminatha Iyer
1932 Tiger Varadachariar
1933 K. Ponnayya Pillai
1934 T. S. Sabesha Iyer
1935 Mysore K. Vasudevacharya
1936 Umayalapuram Swaminatha Iyer
1937 Chidambara Bhagavatar
1938 Ariyakudi Ramanuja Iyengar
1939 Musiri Subramania Iyer
1940 Kallidaikurichi Vedanta Bhagavatar
1941 Professor Venkataswami Naidu
1942 Mazhavarayanendal Subbarama Bhagavatar
1943 Palladam Sanjiva Rao
1944 T. L. Venkatarama Iyer
1945 Maharajapuram Vishwanatha Iyer
1946
1947 Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer
1948 Rajamanickam Pillai
1949 Mudicondan Venkatrama Iyer
1950 Karur Chinnaswamy Iyer
1951 Chembai Vaidhyanatha Bhagavatar
1952 Karaikudi Sambasiva Iyer
1953 Tirupampuram N. Swaminatha Pillai
1954 Chittur Subramanya Pillai
1955 Marungapuri Gopalakrishna Iyer
1956 Tiruvizhimizhalai Subramanya Pillai
1957 T. Chowdiah
1958 G. N. Balasubramaniam
1959 Madurai Mani Iyer
1960 T. K. Jayarama Iyer
1961 Tiruvidamarudur Veerusami Pillai
1962 K. Papa Venkataramiah
1963 Budulur Krishnamurthi Sastrigal
1964 Alathur Sivasubramanya Iyer
1965 Alathur srinivasa Iyer
1966 T. S. Mani Iyer
1967
1968 M. S. Subbulakshmi
1969 Madurai Srirangam Iye
1968 M. S. Subbulakshmi
1970 D. K. Pattammal
1971 Papanasam Sivan
1972 Professor P. Sambamoorthy
1973 T. Balasaraswati
1974 R. Anantakrishna Sarma
1975
1976 T. Brinda
1977 M. L. Vasanthakumari
1978 M. Balamurali Krishna
1979 K. S. Narayanaswamy
1980 T. N. Krishnan
1981 T. M. Thiyagarajan
1982 Embar S. Vijayaraghavachariar
1983 Dr. S. Pinakapani
1984 Mysore V. Doreswamy Iyengar
1985 Dr. S. Ramanathan
1986 K. V. Narayanaswamy
1987 B. Rajam Iyer
1988 Prof. T. Viswanathan
1989 Maharajapuram V. Santhanam
1990 D. K. Jayaraman
1991 Nedunuri Krishnamurthy
1992 Thanjai K. P. Sivanandam
1993 Mani Krishnaswami
1994 T. K. Murthy
1995 R. K. Srikantan
1996 Dr. N. Ramani
1997 M. S. Gopalakrishnan
1998 Sheik Chinna Moula
- From: Gopal (@ hartford-ip-2-218.dynamic.ziplink.net)
on: Tue Oct 17 10:15:48 EDT 2000
Wow ! Neat work Nado. They have this list posted in the lobby of Music Academy also.
Agreed--If living legends like LGJ hasn't not been considered/awarded SK--it's only a shame on the Academy's part. In fact it makes one doubt the "selection" process itself.
Never the less, one could always blame that the academy is no exception for "politics".
There r others who've been left out like this --say the great MDR.
well-we r not thr first to observe this. So many have written / spoken ---no effect on the deaf ears of academy selection committee.
I wonder who make the "selection" board--it it like fixed or they get elected ever year.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ abppp47.buffnet.net)
on: Tue Oct 17 10:57:09 EDT 2000
Gopal, I had not noticed that MDR was not on the list ! ( probably because I didbt pay it much attention ) I personally think he is simply superb, but I am aware that many find his approach unsettling. Well so much for such lists.
- From: K. Shyam (@ net245-175.its.yale.edu)
on: Tue Oct 17 13:21:03 EDT 2000
Nado, Gopal: It is hard for me to believe that the Academy could have overlooked a luminary like LGJ, especially since TNK and MSG, the other two great violinists of his generation are on the list of recipients. I can't see how even an elite organization like the Music Academy could get away with an omission of this magnitude. Is it possible that LGJ declined the title? SK is not like the Oscars. The names of the recipients are announced well before the date of the actual award ceremony. It is possible that the recipient is given a chance to accept or decline before the name is made public.
- From: Ramanathan (@ tnt13b-210.focal-chi.corecomm.net)
on: Tue Oct 17 16:59:29 EDT 2000
I have heard stories that MDR was not honoured by the academy because he was from Kerala; thus not being one of the "club", even though he spent practically his entire life in Madras. Such petty politicking and parochialism (if true) reflects poorly on the Academy. Can someone throw more light on this story?
- From: Lakshman (@ 216.209.172.152)
on: Wed Oct 18 17:49:18 EDT 2000
K.Shyam:
It is a well known fact that LGJ was offered the title but decined the title.
- From: K. Shyam (@ net231-178.its.yale.edu)
on: Wed Oct 18 18:15:29 EDT 2000
Lakshman: Thanks for the clarification.
- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Wed Oct 18 23:55:04 EDT 2000
Folks:
Being ignorant about M.D.Ramanathan, I just wanted to get familiarized with his voice. Visited http://www.musicindiaonline.com to listen to listen to "mahaa ganapathim". I am sorry to say this, but I seem to be pretty unimpressed with his rendition. the aalapana itself starts with a lot of slips in raga. Just want to know if this rendition is one he delieverd when he was old. The whole song is sung apathetically and the diction is not appreciative too.
It is just my own perspective.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp9.buffnet.net)
on: Thu Oct 19 01:19:03 EDT 2000
!! >>>with a lot of slips in raaga.<<< re. mahaa ganapatim, do you feel this is the MD Todi or Naata or some other kriti ?
- From: K. Shyam (@ net166-220.its.yale.edu)
on: Thu Oct 19 07:44:34 EDT 2000
re: MDR
I have learnt to live with the fact that MDR isn't everybody's cup of tea. As for "a lot of slips in raga", nobody (before MS, that is) has accused of him of that!
- From: Ramanathan (@ tnt14b-54.focal-chi.corecomm.net)
on: Thu Oct 19 20:05:09 EDT 2000
MS: Judging an artiste like MDR, based on a single song that you listened to, is patently unfair. Agreed, MDR may not be everyone's cup of tea (as Shyam rightly says)... but I would strongly recommend that you listen to some full-length concerts or his immensely moving renditions such as "Hariyum Haranum..." in Ataana. It takes a while to get used to the man's unorthodox style and interpretation, but I can bet that you will gradually acquire a taste for his music!! For starters, you could try the Shankarabharanam RTP found at the same site! :-)
In passing, let me also mention that KJY, Kadri, etc. of whom you seem to think very highly (from your posting in another thread) do not *IN MY HUMBLE OPINION* produce the greatest classical music and that they are at times prone to more "slips in raga"!!!! :-))
- From: Sundara Rajan (@ bgm-24-24-95-2.stny.rr.com)
on: Thu Oct 19 21:14:08 EDT 2000
Raja's posting of Oct 16 includes T.N.Krishnan. T.N.Krishnan, the violonist is also from Tanjavur district, Tamil Nadu and not from Kerala. Sorry to be picky. That is the problem with teachers !
- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Fri Oct 20 01:56:44 EDT 2000
guys :-)
I have clearly said I am not a good judge and that what I said was my own perspective. May be I should make one point very clear. I have respect for evey great classical musician. And if I have not heard about a person who is held in high esteem, I understand it is my ignorance. I am a fan of KJY's voice or kadhri's rendition, but when it comes to contribution to carnatic music, I agree with you that their contribution is minuscular when compared to what GNB,TNS,ariyakudi and other greats have done. And I myself have found KJY going off the raga many times. I don't have a problem in admitting that.
That is not the point I wanted to make. I am a fan trying to enjoy music. When I said there had been slips off the raga in mahaa ganapathim, I just said what I could observe through my not-so-bad ears.
But Ramanathan, as u said, I listened to another song - "vaathaapi ganapathim" - a masterly rendition indeed ! Especially the aalaapana is great !
But my humble opinion (please excuse me for this) is that his delievery of the lyrics makes me think as if he has a lot of betel leaves in his mouth :-) Lyrics are NOT clear at all.
Naadhopasaka :
the naattai krithi.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp73.buffnet.net)
on: Fri Oct 20 06:33:22 EDT 2000
OK,
re. betel leaves in mouth or ear, I think a modern conditioning to diluted, microphone assisted voices, cultivated by all film playback artistes of whom this KJY is a prime example , creates an adjustment process when confronted with the deeper sound.
MDR, actually even Chembai ( supposed to be KJY's tutor ) and the other stalwarts process the roar of life-breath from the naabhi upwards, unlike the pathetic, memorised whispers of the pretenders. The great musical sculptures that are the krities, born in the vision of the vaggeyakaaraas, allow for diverse delivery. MDR does not compromise this insight.
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