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- From: Isai Rasigai (@ dialup-63.210.140.49.boston1.level3.net)
on: Tue Mar 14 19:29:17 EST 2000
guys guys - correct me if I am wrong - Isn't VandhanaDharini a Pradhdhi madhyama Raga of Sudhdha Saaveri? sa ri2 ma1 pa dha2 sa
sa dha2 pa ma2 ri2 sa
Thaaye Thripura Sundari
Sudhaa Maadhurya Baashana - VandhanaDharini
sa ri2 ma2 pa dha2 sa
sa dha2 pa ma2 ri2 sa
- From: IR (@ dialup-63.210.140.49.boston1.level3.net)
on: Tue Mar 14 19:30:04 EST 2000
oops typo - sudhdha madhyamam for S.Saveri in aaro and avaro
- From: Nadopasaka (@ afppp5.buffnet.net)
on: Tue Mar 14 21:39:54 EST 2000
IsaiRasigai
SudhaMadhuryaBhashini of Tyagaraja appears under something called SindhuRamaKriya, janya of MMGowla. Please check which one you have in VandanaDharini. Thanks
- From: Isai Rasigai (@ dialup-63.210.157.27.boston1.level3.net)
on: Wed Mar 15 06:54:33 EST 2000
Nadho: This Krithi I believe is a GNB Saahithyam. Lakshman please confirm. I am positive about VandhanaDharini
- From: Lakshman (@ hse-kit-ppp38757.sympatico.ca)
on: Wed Mar 15 07:33:33 EST 2000
Isai rasigai & others:
They say haste makes waste. I think haste makes stupidity. I was in a rush to go somewhere but I wanted to get my thoughts out onto the thread. While my mind was thinking Shuddhasaveri my fingers were typing Shuddhadhanyasi. Perhaps I need a holiday from the forum. My apologies.
Sudha madhurya bhashana is a composition of Tyagaraja in Sindhuramakriya, but there is a kriti Sudha madhurya bhasani in Vandanadharini by GNB on my list but I have not found any confirmation for this.
- From: Isai Rasigai (@ dialup-63.210.132.74.boston1.level3.net)
on: Wed Mar 15 07:39:50 EST 2000
Lakshman: I wont call that haste. I would much rather say that out of our anxiety to share our thoughts and feelings, sometimes we err. (I have done that several times and not even remotely thought of taking a break!!!!!))) That is not a big deal. No vacation for you from the forum. :::))) Your contributions are valuable and makes us think!
I just confirmed: Sudha Maadhurya is a GNB composition. I have heard this VandhanaDharini piece several times (by Trichur Ramachandran) and was not sure about the composer.
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp2669.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Wed Mar 15 11:03:23 EST 2000
Your daily dose of Rare raga kritis
Chandra kantiyunte-Chandrakanti-T/Adi-R.K.Suryanarayana-J ?
Palayamam sarvani -Chandrikatodi-Chapu-C.Rangiah-J8
Are re deva devottama-Chapagantarva-Triputa-Govindacharya-j20
Yasha shesham gurum-Charuvardhai-Rupaka-R.K.Suryanarayana-J15
Guruguha bhavataranginim-Chaturangini-Triputa-Dikshitar-j66
Nalavina gari kedari-Chaya-Chapu-P.T.Narasimhachar-j29
Minakshi-Chayagaula-Adi-N.S.Ramachandran
Raksha mam chayaranjani-Chayaranjani-Adi-Ashok R.Madhav
Iravanai oru pozhudu-Chitrasindhu-Adi-T.A.Dhanapandiyan-J66
Pratya lalitabatam-Chitsvarupi-Adi-Kollegar R.Subramaniam
Shantim dehi-Chittakarshani-Adi-Bangalore S.Mukund
- From: Nadopasaka (@ adppp20.buffnet.net)
on: Wed Mar 15 11:09:46 EST 2000
Thanks Lakshman
Aaaahh ! I needed that fix.
Do these raga names typically also appear in the kriti text a la MD ??
- From: Isai Rasigai (@ columbo.lifeworks.com)
on: Wed Mar 15 11:11:02 EST 2000
Sudhadha Dhanyasi's Pradhdhi Madhyamam is Madhukauns. (Krishna karo Bhajamana Prabhu - meera bhajan) - was breaking my head over this all of last night - trying to remember the raga name ::)))
- From: Isai Rasigai (@ columbo.lifeworks.com)
on: Wed Mar 15 11:13:49 EST 2000
Hindholam's Kaakali Nishaadha version is Chandrakauns - nobody asked for this :) just thought I would post it as I was getting confused with the "kauns" ragas myself :)
- From: Lakshman (@ hse-kit-ppp38866.sympatico.ca)
on: Wed Mar 15 11:30:26 EST 2000
Isai rasigai:
There is another type of Madhukauns that uses the additional dhaivata in the avaroha. The hindustani equivalent of Shuddhadhanyasi is called Dhani and it is an afternoon raga.
- From: Lakshman (@ hse-kit-ppp38866.sympatico.ca)
on: Wed Mar 15 11:33:14 EST 2000
Nadopasaka:
I noticed the raga mudra in chandra kanti by RKS and Rakshamam by Ashok Madhav but I don't think it is typical. By the way Ashok Madhav lives in the USA.
- From: IR (@ columbo.lifeworks.com)
on: Wed Mar 15 11:37:14 EST 2000
>>>"There is another type of Madhukauns that uses the additional dhaivata in the avaroha."<<<<
lakshman: are there more than one version of Madhukauns? could you give me some more songs in this raga? Is there a Madhukauns in Hindhusthani music and if so what are the notes?
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp7889.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Wed Mar 15 11:47:14 EST 2000
isai rasigai:
Madhukauns is a hindustani raga. The second type uses the same svaras as Shuddhadhanysi but with M2 and D2. You also mentione ragas ending with kauns. Here are some more: Apart from Malkauns, Chandrakauns and Madhukauns there is Sampurna Malkauns, Pancham Malkauns, Suryakauns, Ranjankauns, Jogkauns, Nandkauns, Harikauns and Jayakauns. Just thought you might be interested.
- From: IR (@ columbo.lifeworks.com)
on: Wed Mar 15 11:50:40 EST 2000
lakshman - Thanks a lot - but aaro/avao would help a lot ::))))) and some songs in those ragas just to hear the raaga pOkku ::)))
- From: IR (@ columbo.lifeworks.com)
on: Wed Mar 15 11:51:52 EST 2000
I have only heard a stright sa ga ma(2) pa ni sa - sa ni pa ma2 ga sa version of madhukauns - interesting to note the bhaashanga swaram :)
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp32.buffnet.net)
on: Wed Mar 15 12:08:30 EST 2000
Lakshman wrote > While my mind was thinking Shuddhasaveri my fingers were typing Shuddhadhanyasi. <
There is a link between these raagas. They can be obtained from each other by Grahabhedam !! Maybe L. was responding to this subliminal connection.
The raga Gopriya j62 retruns itself on Grahabheda of any of its notes.
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp7873.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Wed Mar 15 13:09:41 EST 2000
Nadopasaka:
you are right about Gopriya. It is called the Debussey scale because he popularized it. The composition that I have is Na moravina rada-Rupaka by Dr.S.Ramanathan.
Here's what I found about the kauns scales
Malkauns : S G2 M1 D2 N2 S; S N2 D2 M1 G2 S
Suryakauns : S G2 M1 D3 N3 S; S N3 D3 M1 G2 S
Chandrakauns : S G2 M1 D2 N3 S; S N3 D2 M1 G2 S
Madhukauns : S G2 M2 P N2 S; S N2 P M2 G2 S (1st type)
S G2 M2 P N2 S; S N2 D2 P G2 S (2nd type)
Ranjankauns : S G2 M1 D2 N3 S; S N3 D2 N3 D1 M G2 S
Nandkauns : S G3 M1 P M1 D2 N3 S; S N3 D2 P M1 G3 S G2 S
Nabhkauns : S G2 M1 D2 N2 S; S N3 D2 M1 G2 S
Harikauns : S R1 M2 D2 N3 S; S N3 D2 M2 R1 S
Jayakauns : N2 S R1 M1 M2 M1 D2 N2 S; S N2 D2 M1 M2 M1 R1 S
I was not able to get the scales for Mohankauns and Jogkauns
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp7754.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Wed Mar 15 13:26:32 EST 2000
In the scale of Madhukauns (2nd type) the M2 in the avarohana somehow got left out.
- From: IR (@ columbo.lifeworks.com)
on: Wed Mar 15 14:26:56 EST 2000
Thanks for the "kauns" summary Lakshman - any popular melodies in these ragas?
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp65.buffnet.net)
on: Wed Mar 15 15:00:33 EST 2000
Lakshman, I have heard of KaunsiKanada as well, but that might be of a different ilk.
As an aside Kauns might be derived from kaunsi or kaunsa meaning 'which' one. No wonder there are so many !!
Isairasigai, there is Kandenaa Govinda by Bombay Jaysree on the bharat.com site
- From: IR (@ columbo.lifeworks.com)
on: Wed Mar 15 15:10:21 EST 2000
that is in chandrakauns nado - I know that song - lovely ::))
I am looking for those other "kauns" that Lakshman posted
- From: Lakshman (@ hse-kit-ppp38785.sympatico.ca)
on: Wed Mar 15 16:55:49 EST 2000
Isai rasigai and others:
All the kauns ending rags that I posted are hindustani ragas. Except for chandrakauns (chandrika for BMK) I don't think there are any karnatak kritis. But I will check.
Kaunsi kanada is a combination of raga kaunsi and darbari kanada. There are many ragas that end with kanada and many that start with kaunshi. If you are interested I can hunt for some khayal compositions in these ragas.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ afppp35.buffnet.net)
on: Wed Mar 15 17:29:28 EST 2000
Doesn't the BMK kriti classify as 'Hindustani' ? (ooops !)
- From: IR (@ dialup-209.244.121.95.boston1.level3.net)
on: Wed Mar 15 18:10:18 EST 2000
:) Nado
Lakshman - as I mentioned before there is a Meera Bhajan (I consider it carnatic for example sake ::)) in Madhukauns - Krishna Karo Bhajamana Prabhu thuma
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp7808.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Wed Mar 15 19:38:01 EST 2000
Surprise! I found five songs in Madhukauns.
Dayamado dayamado-Adi-Purandaradasa (I think this song has been sung in at least 6 other ragas)
Manave hudukadine-Adi-R.Vishveshvaran
Muruga kumara nan-Adi-Kamala Krishnamurti
Shanta durga devi-Adi-Kalyani Varadarajan
Unnarul vendi ninren-Adi-Kamala Krishnamurti
I will post songs in Chandrakauns later.
- From: IR (@ dialup-63.210.140.129.boston1.level3.net)
on: Wed Mar 15 20:26:46 EST 2000
::)) that sure is a surprise Laksh - thanks and looking forward to songs in chandrakauns other than Kandenaa Govinda
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aappp13.buffnet.net)
on: Wed Mar 15 21:27:05 EST 2000
Lakshman,IsaiRasigai
Do some raagas have a predisposition towards a particular talam ? I notice Adi talam is popular with many of the rare raagas.
- From: IR (@ dialup-63.210.152.107.boston1.level3.net)
on: Thu Mar 16 09:07:30 EST 2000
>>"Do some raagas have a predisposition towards a particular talam ? I notice Adi talam is popular with many of the rare raagas."<<
I do not think so Nado. Adhi thaalam and Rupaka Thaalam are relatively easier to set krithis in compared to the Chaappu varieties. I cannot think of any other reason!
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp7859.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Thu Mar 16 11:22:09 EST 2000
Here is my list of songs in Chandrakauns. The letters that represent the asterisks in the song Kandena govindana I have already posted earlier.
Anand anand---K/Chapu---Bangalore S.Mukund
Ayi hun tere---Ambujam Krishna
Chandiran oliyil avalai kanden sharanam---Chapu---Subramania Bharati
Chandrashekharam---Adi---Bellary Sheshagiriachar
Chandre indu sodari---Bangalore S.Mukund
Daranikku adi paviyai vegu shudu mettiya (tp)---Chapu---Arunagirinathar
Devi tripurasundari dayanidhi---Adi---Sharada Natarajan
Dharmave jayavemba divya mantra marmavana---Adi---Purandaradasa
Dhim tadara tani (t)---Adi---R.N.Doresvami
Dhim tadhim ta dhim ta tanadhira na (t)---Adi---Madurai N.Krishnan
Eda kalanu etti natya maduva---Adi---Ashok R.Madhav
Hannu bandide kolliri niviga chinna balakrishnanem---Purandaradasa
Kanaka mani kundala vara nupuradhara karunakara---Adi---Minakshisuta
Kandena govindana ****arikakshana---K/Chapu---Purandaradasa
Kandena kanasinali govindana---Adi---Purandaradasa
Kannamuchchi---Chapu---Bangalore S.Mukund
Kanneru padumena nan anjuginren palakal (a)---Adi---Ramalingasvami
Kodiya maraliyum avanadu katakamum (tp)---Anga---Arunagirinathar
Nalai varum enre nambalama---Adi---Madurai G.S.Mani
Ninnane---Adi---A.V.Krishnamachar
Palittu arulvai ven shanke kandu purikka peranbu---Adi---S.Vembu
Pavana suta---Rupaka---R.N.Doresvami
Raja matangi---Chapu---Madurai G.S.Mani
Saketa vasa---Adi---Chitravina N.Ravikiran
Sharanu bebakane kanaka rupane kamini---Chapu---Purandaradasa
Shri tripura sundari---Chapu---Kamala Krishnamurti
Tillana---Adi---Ashvatamma
Tillana (dhim tadare dhani)---Adi---R.N.Doresvami
Tillana (dhimta dhimta dhimta)---Adi---Madurai N.Krishnan
Venkatagiri raya---Balasai
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